The ultimate plan to end abortion

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The problem with abortion is that if we were to outlaw it today we wouldn’t have the resources to deal with A. Saving Babies B. Influx of black market abortions C. Banning Planned Parenthood and other abortion providers

The foster care and adoption system is underfunded and broken… If we are going to ban abortion we need to fund these critical social services immediately. The Church has a great system… But it has room for plenty of improvement…

We need to fund crisis pregnancy centers and hotlines to give mothers with out of wedlock pregnancies the services they need… While we’re funding those we need to equip the low income Federal health centers with pro-life medical staff trained in obstetrics for low income women and families. Federal funding through the office of faith based initiatives for Catholic medical clinics and hospitals would be nice too.

We need to increase access to adoption agencies and ensure the Church gets the cream of the crop (and not those weird Evangelicals :eek:)…

Second we need a specially equipped section of Federal law enforcement to deal black market abortions… I suggest we utilize the FBI or US Marshals Service with a dedicated US attorney to oversee Federal prosecution of illegal abortions. An affirmative action policy for pro-life Christians especially Catholic would be desirable for law enforcement positions…

And if we’re ever going to get rid of Planned Parenthood we might as well get rid of ALL of them (don’t just target planned parenthood… Go after ALL of them at once.)

Impressive or what? 👍
 
socialcath101 said:
The problem with abortion is that if we were to outlaw it today we wouldn’t have the resources to deal with A. Saving Babies B. Influx of black market abortions C. Banning Planned Parenthood and other abortion providers

The foster care and adoption system is underfunded and broken… If we are going to ban abortion we need to fund these critical social services immediately. The Church has a great system… But it has room for plenty of improvement…

We need to fund crisis pregnancy centers and hotlines to give mothers with out of wedlock pregnancies the services they need… While we’re funding those we need to equip the low income Federal health centers with pro-life medical staff trained in obstetrics for low income women and families. Federal funding through the office of faith based initiatives for Catholic medical clinics and hospitals would be nice too.

We need to increase access to adoption agencies and ensure the Church gets the cream of the crop (and not those weird Evangelicals :eek:)…

Second we need a specially equipped section of Federal law enforcement to deal black market abortions… I suggest we utilize the FBI or US Marshals Service with a dedicated US attorney to oversee Federal prosecution of illegal abortions. An affirmative action policy for pro-life Christians especially Catholic would be desirable for law enforcement positions…

And if we’re ever going to get rid of Planned Parenthood we might as well get rid of ALL of them (don’t just target planned parenthood… Go after ALL of them at once.)

Impressive or what? 👍
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WOW and all in a country where the only thing most people agree on is the fact NO ONE wants to pay taxes which provides the money for federal funded services!

As such this is never going to happen. 🤷
 
socialcath101 said:
Impressive or what? 👍
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Why not just come clean and advocate a nice Catholic theocracy, along with bringing back the Inquisition, the burning of heretics and witches? Fortunately, a very sizable portion of Catholics would not agree with you.

The really good plan to end abortion would be advocating the methods to prevent unwanted pregnancies. If there is no pregnancy, there is no need for abortion. Yes, abstinence works, but it is just as nonsensical as going on a hunger strike to prevent getting overweight.
 
I don’t know I thought it was pretty creative 🤷… Instead of 50 some odd policies of abortion where its legal in one state and illegal in another we just ban it outright on the Federal level… 😃
 
I know I’m a Brit and therefore not well versed in US political mechanics, but wouldn’t setting a Federal law on this subject over which the individual States feel they have jurisdiction require a change in the Constitution? As such, doesn’t it then need something like 60% of all the States to agree to it?

Sounds like herding cats to me…

I agree that Abortion is wrong and sinful and should never ever EVER happen, but the fact that it IS legal is going to be a very difficult one to overturn. What is required is wholesale but voluntary conversion to our way of thinking. And that requires dedicated evangelisation, a herculean effort of catechesis on behalf of the Church and the winning of hearts, minds and souls of the population. And we don’t do that by concentrating on one ‘hot potato’ subject. We do that by advocating the infinite attractiveness and benefits of our Faith as a whole. When people share our faith they will then share our ideals - which will include, as a matter of default, instinctive and natural opposition to any form of Abortion.
 
Borz said:
Yes, abstinence works, but it is just as nonsensical as going on a hunger strike to prevent getting overweight.
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Yes, because if you don’t have sex you’ll naturally die from some sort of malnourishment. :rolleyes: There is a fundamental difference between the two. It reminds me of sitcom in which a fellow takes his arms and rotates them a full 360 degrees while they pop and crack, everyone in the room winces, and he says ‘Doc it hurts when I do that’, and the doctor replies, “then don’t do that”. You want kids? Get married and have sex. You don’t want kids? Don’t have sex.

Let me fix your statement.
Yes, abstinence works, it is just as sensical as (what prevents weight gain) not overeating to prevent getting overweight.
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Sorry but not impressed. First the preferential structure for Catholics in the care of children would be a non-starter as being discriminatory. Additionally keeping abortion as a federal issue will only insure that it remains legal. So long as corporate power and national media controls the debate, which is what happens if it remains a federal question, then abortion will remain legal. It is actually at the state level that grassroots activism has a real possibility for making change.

Until there is a large scale change of heart among those who believe women have a right to kill their own child, steps will have to be made to encourage carrying a child to birth. Current assistance, public or private, to girls and women who need assistance will have to be increased. Adoption would have to be streamlined and made a more affordable option. It is currently very expensive to adopt a child in the US. And the legal restrictions/regulations regarding orphanages will have to be relaxed.

Realistically abortion can’t be eliminated anymore than murder, rape or any other sin or crime. You can’t legislate morality. The best that can be done is to have a legal system that doesn’t actively encourage sin.
 
haroldcrews said:
Realistically abortion can’t be eliminated anymore than murder, rape or any other sin or crime. You can’t legislate morality. The best that can be done is to have a legal system that doesn’t actively encourage sin.
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We do legislate morality. Murder, rape and violent crime are illegal because we as a society decided that those actions were immoral. Abortion is legal because we as a society decided that that action is moral.
And our society does not acknowledge sin as a legal argument. You can do a lot of sinful things in America that are legal: divorce, adultery, fornication, are just a few examples.

You may be right that realistically abortion cannot be eliminated; but that it can be reduced; it does not have to be actively supported and funded by society through taxes.
 
Well actually no we don’t legislate based on morality but according to justice. At least that is the idea. Obviously the two are heavily connected. Your second statement concerning adultery and divorce speaks to that fact. If morality were the guiding light for legislation then adultery and divorce would be crimes. The fact that alienation of affection exists as a civil cause of action testifies to the distinction. When an act of adultery results in divorce, the spurned spouse may sue the person the alienated spouse cheated with if certain elements are met. This is based on justice, not morality. The adultery is immoral regardless of whether the elements for alienation of affection are met. But not all instances of adultery give rise to a cause of action for alienation of affection. That is the distinction. But abortion as a form of murder is both a matter of morality and justice.

The broader point concerning morality and legislation is that legislation can only guide actions except perhaps in a totalitarian state. Morality by its nature involves intent or the heart if you will. Should abortion again be made illegal and I hope that it will be soon then a woman who carries a child to birth only because she did not wish to risk the legal consequences of obtaining an illegal abortion acted legally but not morally. Everyday from the day she found out she was pregnant until the child was born she may have wanted to obtain an abortion. She killed that child every day in her heart. That is hardly moral.

The best solution one that saves the child and mother would be a universal embrace of the fullness of the Christian faith so that every child was wanted and welcomed into a home of a married man and woman. But while we are working on that we can at least have legal protection so that each child will at least be born. It is not ideal but it would definitely be progress. Justice would not be the stopping point but only an intermediate (but important) step towards morality.
 
How about we work to fix the problems that drive people to abortion? A woman doesn’t just wake up and say “Today I’m going to murder my unborn child!” and then do it. She does it for a reason and not just because she feels like it. When a girl finds out she’s pregnant and knows that if she tells her parents she will be shunned and have society treat her like a whore do you think that drives her towards an abortion? Contrast this with a girl who knows her family will love her despite her transgressions and try to help her raise the child.
 
Calgar said:
lol

So you want to take the “best” children and reserve them for roman catholics?

So would “weird evangelicals” get second pick?
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I was pretty underwhelmed about the plan myself
 
Swiss_Guy said:
Well, I stopped reading after the first sentence. We can’t protect citizens from being murdered without first outlawing murder. And abortion is murder.
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that’s not true. It happens all the time. Mothers are shown another way and the baby is protected.

The more we focus on providing alternative choices, and fixing the situations that cause pregnant women to choose abortion, the more babies will be protected.

The harder we bang our heads on matters of lawcentric principle, shackling our loyalty to lip service instead of practical solutions, the more babies will be lost.
 
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