The un-Forgivable Sin?

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Before i returned to the Church, i used to wonder, every now and then, if i had somehow committed the unforgivable sin, which, on the face of it, seems to be blahsphemy of some kind (St. Matthew 12:32).
Even when i heard the Catholic Church’s position on this subject years ago 🙂 , (that rejecting Christ [God] is the unforgivable sin)… I still wondered… (though i do not wonder after having become fully Catholic 🙂 ).
I know now that the devil was beating the crud out of me (still is, of course, just in different ways - that’s his job :rolleyes: :hypno: :ouch: but anyway, i am wondering if others out there have been tormented by this fear & what they did… or do … about it?
What is your view of the Catholic interpretation of St. Matthew 12:32?
My take on it (& I believe that of the Church?) is that any repented-of sin can be forgiven in Purgatory (forgivness in the age to come…) except the sin of rejecting Jesus Christ (at time of death).
 
Before i returned to the Church, i used to wonder, every now and then, if i had somehow committed the unforgivable sin, which, on the face of it, seems to be blahsphemy of some kind (St. Matthew 12:32).
Even when i heard the Catholic Church’s position on this subject years ago 🙂 , (that rejecting Christ [God] is the unforgivable sin)… I still wondered… (though i do not wonder after having become fully Catholic 🙂 ).
I know now that the devil was beating the crud out of me (still is, of course, just in different ways - that’s his job :rolleyes: :hypno: :ouch: but anyway, i am wondering if others out there have been tormented by this fear & what they did… or do … about it?
What is your view of the Catholic interpretation of St. Matthew 12:32?
My take on it (& I believe that of the Church?) is that any repented-of sin can be forgiven in Purgatory (forgivness in the age to come…) except the sin of rejecting Jesus Christ (at time of death).
Wait - i just looked it up… The sin can’t be forgiven in this life either… A friend of mine says the ones who opposed Christ (St. Matthew 12:32) did so publicly and led others astray… Still, it seems that one could repent of this sin??? I must be missing something… have to admit I am a little confused… :hypno: :hmmm: I guess they made an eternal choice to oppose Christ…
 
Wait - i just looked it up… The sin can’t be forgiven in this life either… A friend of mine says the ones who opposed Christ (St. Matthew 12:32) did so publicly and led others astray… Still, it seems that one could repent of this sin??? I must be missing something… have to admit I am a little confused… :hypno: :hmmm: I guess they made an eternal choice to oppose Christ…
It would seem that most sins can be forgiven in this life, although one must be sincere in their repentance. Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is what is said to be the “unforgiveable sin.” To me, it seems that a total rejection of Christ, or knowingly teaching against the Spirit, is the unforgivable sin. One who dies in that sin is indeed unforgiven in this life and will remain so in the next. That is my take on it, but I may be wrong…

Prayers and petitions,
Alexius:cool:
 
From my understanding:

There is absolutely no sin that one can commit that cannot be forgiven if repentant. One may be afraid: “Oh no have I sinned so as to never be forgiven?”. I wondered about that myself until I heard an explanation.

The sin against the Holy Spirit is the failure to do just that, to repent. You see the Holy Spirit calls us to conversion and when we resist this, this is the sin against the Holy Spirit. If we keep this stance toward God until death then it cannot be forgiven.
 
From my understanding:

There is absolutely no sin that one can commit that cannot be forgiven if repentant. One may be afraid: “Oh no have I sinned so as to never be forgiven?”. I wondered about that myself until I heard an explanation.

The sin against the Holy Spirit is the failure to do just that, to repent. You see the Holy Spirit calls us to conversion and when we resist this, this is the sin against the Holy Spirit. If we keep this stance toward God until death then it cannot be forgiven.
That makes sense…I guess there are many possibilities…Does anyone know what the Church Fathers say about this?
 
I was editing my explanation but ran out of time. My previous point may have some validity. The NAB says that the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit (in this case) was saying that Satan was responsible for what was the work of God. Jesus may be saying that such blasphemy is a sign of being committed to evil to such an extent that the person will not repent. See Matthew 12:35

usccb.org/nab/bible/matthew/matthew12.htm#foot22

Note also Matthew 12:41. The people repented at the preaching of Jonah but they are not responding to Jesus. They are not repenting. If they are blaspheming against the Holy Spirit and not repenting even when seeing the work of Jesus, then this may be a sign they will not repent.
 
I think Coder is on it. If I turn from the Father, the Son and Spirit work on me. If I turn from the Son, the Spirit works. If I deny the work of the Spirit, to whom shall I turn?
 
Before i returned to the Church, i used to wonder, every now and then, if i had somehow committed the unforgivable sin, which, on the face of it, seems to be blahsphemy of some kind (St. Matthew 12:32).
Even when i heard the Catholic Church’s position on this subject years ago 🙂 , (that rejecting Christ [God] is the unforgivable sin)… I still wondered… (though i do not wonder after having become fully Catholic 🙂 ).
I know now that the devil was beating the crud out of me (still is, of course, just in different ways - that’s his job :rolleyes: :hypno: :ouch: but anyway, i am wondering if others out there have been tormented by this fear & what they did… or do … about it?
What is your view of the Catholic interpretation of St. Matthew 12:32?
My take on it (& I believe that of the Church?) is that any repented-of sin can be forgiven in Purgatory (forgivness in the age to come…) except the sin of rejecting Jesus Christ (at time of death).
You may want to look into the Moral Theology of it. This book should give you a full understanding of the scriptures, dogmas, and cannon law (it explains what the true meaning of what was originally stated). At any rate you may also want to take a look at the Douay-Rimes Bible, it also has foot notes that explain some of the scriptures that could be interpreted incorrectly, you can view it online here.

[Matthew 12:32 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but he that shall speak against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, nor in the world to come.]

Footnote of the Douay-Rheims Bible:*

“Nor in the world to come”… From these words St. Augustine (De Civ. Dei, lib. 21, c. 13) and St. Gregory (Dialog., 4, c. 39) gather, that some sins may be remitted in the world to come; and, consequently, that there is a purgatory or a middle place.

*I do remember learning about; if you speak against to Holy Ghost, or even the Blessed Mother, those are two sins that will never be forgiven. Some may make an argument about the fact that I brought up the Blessed Mother, but the fact of the matter is that it makes perfect sense. If you are married, how would you feel if someone said something negative about you spouse? Or how would you feel if someone said something negative about your mother? Or how would you feel if someone said something negative about you daughter?

I for one would not stand for it; if someone spoke against my mother for example, and I’m sure that our Heavenly Lord Jesus would not be happy if someone spoke negative about His (*our) Mother either.

*I say our, because she is our Mother as well. John 19:26-27 When Jesus therefore had seen his mother and the disciple standing whom he loved, he saith to his mother: Woman, behold thy son. 27After that, he saith to the disciple: Behold thy mother. And from that hour, the disciple took her to his own.

Any how, there is an excellent Book that I think that every Catholic should read to get a full understanding of our Blessed Mother. Written by Saint Louis de Montfort; True Devotion to Mary, you may read some of if online Here.

A brief description: True Devotion To Mary. Considered the greatest single book on Mary ever written, this classic shows the way to Jesus through Mary. It sums up the entire Christian life and provides the key both to sanctity and to salvation. Beloved by countless souls; makes lasting devotees. St. Louis De Montfort prophesied that True Devotion to Mary would be the way of life of the great Saints of the latter times. This devotion is destined to change the world! Impr. 215 pgs, PB.

Sorry about getting off topic, if you are really concerned about some of the teachings, read up on the Moral Theology that will help you out.
 
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