The Unification Church and Sun Myung Moon's pet projects

[Salvation_Rose]

Many questions have come up. I can’t answer them all now, but here goes with some of the main. Yes, I consider Father Moon has inherited Jesus’ mantle, in a similar way to Elisha inheriting the mantle of Elijah. Indeed, Father Moon says that Jesus appeared to him when he was praying on Easter morning and asked him to complete what he, Jesus had not been able to complete on earth, namely creating the “Kingdom of Heaven”, as we pray in the prayer Jesus taught us. Father Moon asserts that it is not enough for us to pray “Thy Will be done, Thy Kingdom come, on earth as it is in heaven”, we must do all we can to assist God in bringing His Kingdom.

We do not say that Jesus was a failure, anymore than God Himself was a failure because Adam and Eve “fell”. But those prepared to receive and work with him did fail him and though this will offend some readers, John the Baptist was the most significant person to fail him. He had revelation and testified to Jesus, but did not then follow him; probably doubts crept in since Jesus was probably considered the black sheep of the family, the bastard son of an unknown man, whereas John’s father was a High Priest.

The Bible passage “Among them that are born of women there has not risen a greater than John the Baptist: yet he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he”. Matthew 11:11, was what caused one fervent Roman Catholic I know to start to take seriously what she was hearing, when she had started coming to lectures on Father Moon’s teaching out of curiosity as to why another Roman Catholic was “following” Father Moon.

To understand more about why we assert that Father Moon is fulfilling the mission of Jesus you would need to study more. He is not, of course, Jesus himself, and for many years Father Moon talked about little else than Jesus, his suffering life and redeeming grace, and how all people needed to “take up the cross and follow.”

Certainly, I feel more love from and for Jesus than I ever did before I met Father Moon and a greater respect and feeling of kinship with all Christians, past and present, whatever their denomination.

Coincidentally, I have today been thinking of a song I wrote years ago: “Would they / we crucify him again?” Jesus himself questioned whether the “Son of Man” would find faith on earth; probably realizing that just as the Jews rejected him because he did not fit their image of the Messiah or their “understanding” of the Scriptures, so-called Christians might be the most violently opposed to the “Returning Christ”; and this has been played out, more than anywhere else in Korea, where - just one example - Christians in Pyongyang brought false witness about him to the communist authorities, resulting in him spending more than two years in an extermination work camp.

But he forgave the Christians and forgave the communists and years later went to North Korea and told Kim Il Sung that though he totally disagreed with his atheistic ideology, he would do all he could to help him redevelop his country; just as he had told Gorbachev that while glasnost and perestroika were good, he needed to allow religious freedom in the USSR.

With Gorbachev’s blessing, Father Moon organized comprehensive religious teaching there, a broad introduction to the essence of religion and comprehensive explanation of all the great religions. Unfortunately, the Russian Orthodox church wanted exclusive right to the souls of the people, and these programmes were stopped.

We hope and pray that we may be able to bring the Word of God to the people of North Korea. Billy Graham expressed his amazement at the religious fervour he found in the South, but it was in the North, in the early years of the 20th century, that the flame of “revival” jumped from Wales to America and thence to Pyongyang, which became known as the Jerusalem of the East.

I think that’s enough for now. I would be happy to address the other points and more at a later time, I am preparing to great the New Year, in the Unification Movement we make a special point of dedicating January 1 to God as a way of showing our commitment and intention to dedicate ourselves to His service throughout the coming year.

Dear chris davies;

The problem is that Rev. Moon is far from “inheriting” the mantle of Christ; First of all due to the fact that in his book “Divine principle” he states that my Father Lord Jesus did NOT arise in the flesh at his Resurrection; but is a “spirit” of some kind; able to appear in locked room because he has no flesh; when all the even most doubtful as Doubting Thomas himself put his finger in the wounds and in his ide and then agreed my Father had indeed arisen IN THE FLESH.

Rev. Moon does not even reach the standard of the least of the Apostle’s who I do consider to be “Doubting Thomas”.

Second; Rev. Moon aver that the Holy Spirit is “a female spirit”; again in his book “Divine Principle”. Due to my instruction from my Father’s servant John who gave me the Seal of the Living God which Rev. Moon as John the Baptist did NOT receive I can reveal that the Holy Spirit of God happens to be JEHOVAH Himself; the “female spirit” who Rev. Moon says is the “holy spirit” is in fact “Mystery”; who happens to be ISIS: herself. Otherwise known as “the Great Whore”

Thirdly; Rev. Moon; again in his book “Divine Principle” MARRIES my Father Jesus to this “holy spirit”; but since JEHOVAH as the Holy Spirit of God happenes to be the FATHER of the Lamb who created him with Mary ( who is ‘the Zion of the Holy One of Israel’ seen in Rev. chapter 12 as the “Mother of Jesus” ) it is Rev. Moon who has married the Lambof God: to his own Father: rather a large error and mistake;

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[Salvation_Rose]

Dear chris davies; *(part two )

Thirdly; Rev. Moon; again in his book “Divine Principle” MARRIES my Father Jesus to this “holy spirit”; but since JEHOVAH as the Holy Spirit of God happenes to be the FATHER of the Lamb who created him with Mary ( who is ‘the Zion of the Holy One of Israel’ seen in Rev. chapter 12 as the “Mother of Jesus” ) it is Rev. Moon who has married the Lamb of God: to his own Father: rather a large error and mistake; as where this is where “Sodom” as the “Tail of the Dragon” invaded Rev. Moon’s book conclusively; the great red dragon representing the kingdom of darkness as “Egypt” itself spiritually; Sodom and Egypt “where alsso our Lord was crucified” should ring some bells.

Fourth; and worst of all; is that Rev. Moon through Mark Biggs ( book is called “Secrets of the Holy Family” ) and Young Oon Kim ( book is called “Unification Theology and Christian Thought”; quotes about Zacharias as “father of Jesus” on pages 130-131 ); and other Unification writers as well; but Rev. Moon gave this this “information” to my friend Bradford Kent Bufkin; who told me himself what Rev. Moon said to him; and Rev. Moon secretly teaches his members to this day that ZACHARIAS was the “real” father of my Father Jesus in an act of adultery with John the Baptist’s father; which is actually the hidden accusation that John the Baptist had about my Father Jesus as “the beam in his eye”; which is why he never bonded with my Father Jesus; nor perfomed one miracle; because he never overcame Satan and this LIE.

Rev. Moon is John the Baptist; though he denies it; just as John the Baptist was Elijah; though he also denied that. But my Father Jesus said John was Elijah; when they asked John about this he said he wasn’t: this is what “split” the providence and ruined everything; as even Rev. Moon noticed.

I thus stand in my Father Jesus’s position even though I am truly “the least in the Kingdom of Heaven”.

But I am a greater prophet than Rev. Moon; that I can aver as God is my Witness and my Father Jesus now sits upon the Throne of God in the rapidly approaching New Heaven which shall shortly be made manifest to all; and the New Earth along with it; the Gospel of Jesus Christ being essentially the Holy Mountain; and the Revelation of Jesus Christ being quintessentially the Holy City; that I know personally; as all soon will who stand before the Son of Man on December 25th 2012: Christmas Day: Judgment Day.

The problem is that Rev. Moon should have listened to me and corrected the 3 Great Errors in his book “Divine Principle”; but he didn’t. Jonathan Gullery; and Eric Holt at HSA-UWC and Bob Selle at the Washington Times and Magnus as the current major domo at HSA-UWC; and Kyle Toffey; pastor with Hyung-Jin Moon; they all know about me: and have tried to “ignore” me out of existence because I happen to know that Rev. Moon is himself the “Faithful and Wise Steward/ servant” of both Matthew and Luke; and whose end is that of that "evil servant" of Matthew 24:48; I suggest everybody read the entire prophetic judgment since it concerns the Last Day; which is Now; and the approaching Last Hour: in One Year.

A very BIG MISTAKE to ignore me by Rev. Moon; and my Father’s servant John; who instructed me for 21 years in New Hope PA; when I did the 21 year course of Jacob in Haran; if you want to know, you probably should; in truth.

See you all around; my Father Jesus will be here on December 25th 2012; but I suggest you who are believers bond with me before then: believing me when He’s here will be “too late”; as the final “Test of Faith” is as that of Noah; believing and entering the Ark BEFORE the “Proof” or “Flood” arrives.

That is where the expression of the “wailing and gnashing of teeth” happened; outside the sealed door of Noah’s Ark: he wouldn’t open the Door; as it was sealed with Pitch by that time.

Bless thee all in the Name of my Father Jesus: In-shallah!!

Salvation Rose
christopher witt diamant ( goggle it )

 

[Telstar]

Ho Boy.

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[chrisvdavies]

No problem - being “put on the spot”, I don’t think you were at all rude, it was refreshing to be asked a direct question in a respectful manner. If people, whether on religious or political - or any other - matters, discussed, even disputed, in such a respectful manner we would be a lot closer to creating the Kingdom of Heaven Jesus asks us to pray for.

 

[Holly3278]

I grew up an Anglican and became a member of the Unification Church when I was 25. However, I still consider myself an Anglican as well. It might take a little more time to explain this, but it occurs to me that St. Paul was a Jew who when he became a CHristian did not cease being a Jew.

I don’t know what defines “priest” to you. Possibly you are saying that Father Moon was not ordained a priest in the Roman Catholic Church. The word predates the creation of the Roman Catholic Church and is widely used today beyond the boundaries of the Roman Catholic priesthood. I use it as an expression of respect and affection.

Well, first let me preface my own personal definition of a priest with the fact that I mean absolutely no offense toward you or your religion by saying this. However, my own personal definition of a priest is a man (not a woman) who has been validly ordained by a Bishop who has also been validly ordained. The Bishop must also be a man and he must be someone who is considered to be in the line of Bishops from today all the way back to the time of Jesus Christ via Apostolic Succession. The only three religions that I personally know of who have validly ordained priests and Bishops are: Catholicism, Eastern Orthodoxy, and Coptic Orthodoxy. There may be others that I am unaware of but in my opinion, the Catholic Church must also agree that the specific religion has valid ordination rites and valid apostolic succession. This is my own personal definition of a Christian priest. I personally do not consider the Unification church to be a Christian church and so I don’t consider their clergy to be priests either.

 

[Holly3278]

You know, I never thought that anything like this could happen but it does indeed appear from a mere glance at the Wikipedia article on the Washington Times that the Washington Times does indeed have some strong connections to the Unification church. It is just downright scary that a major media company in the United States that is trusted by many people could actually be controlled by the Unification cult.

 

[havana1]

You know, I never thought that anything like this could happen but it does indeed appear from a mere glance at the Wikipedia article on the Washington Times that the Washington Times does indeed have some strong connections to the Unification church. It is just downright scary that a major media company in the United States that is trusted by many people could actually be controlled by the Unification cult.

Yes, very powerful connections. But like I said, they get a free pass from most Catholics because they publish “conservative” and “pro-life” stories. It’s too bad more Catholics don’t/won’t speak up about it - and, yes, it continues to happen for that very reason (the mistaken belief that, as long as the Washington TIMES and their magazine ‘Human Events’ are “conservative,” then, gosh darn it, then it’s ok.) No. It’s not ok. These are questions more Catholics and more “conservatives” need to start asking. What makes a Unification-financed news org more credible than a Catholic-financed news org? Most of the UPI staff fled when they were bought out, so it’s not like they’ve kept their full staff of reporters.

 

[havana1]

Also, the Vatican has never established any relations with the Unification Church. Our Holy Father has never met with Rev. Moon. Our Holy Father has met with the Dalai Lama, if I’m not mistaken, and he has met with leaders of other eastern religions, but he has never - ever - met with Rev. Moon. That should tell you something. And if I’m wrong, please cite for me the date and location when such a meeting occurred.

 

[ringil]

The Unification church is a traditional supporter of the GOP. Just an interesting tid bit.

 

[havana1]

The Unification church is a traditional supporter of the GOP. Just an interesting tid bit.

The, uh, million dollar question remains: Has any pope, or anyone with the Vatican acting on authority of the Magisterium, ever met with Rev. Moon?

 

[StrawberryJam]

The Unification church is a traditional supporter of the GOP. Just an interesting tid bit.

That is not only an interesting tidbit, but it is something catholics keep quite quiet about because…

It suits their agendas too much to complain about it loudly.

 

[StrawberryJam]

The, uh, million dollar question remains: Has any pope, or anyone with the Vatican acting on authority of the Magisterium, ever met with Rev. Moon?

That is not a million dollar question really. It’s a billion, if not multi billion dollar question.
If Moon can do some of the heavy lifting for the Catholic Church, why should they meddle in his business?

 

[havana1]

That is not only an interesting tidbit, but it is something catholics keep quite quiet about because…

It suits their agendas too much to complain about it loudly.

Which is why posting UPI or/and Washington TIMES news stories on CAF is a-okay. I don’t know of any other news organizations run by people who get such…‘interesting’ treatment from the GOP. Not even Roger Ailes (Fox News Channel) or Rupert Murdoch (who owns Fox News) get treated so well. Must be nice to be Rev. Moon.

 

[ByzCathCantor]

The, uh, million dollar question remains: Has any pope, or anyone with the Vatican acting on authority of the Magisterium, ever met with Rev. Moon?

That is not a million dollar question really. It’s a billion, if not multi billion dollar question.
If Moon can do some of the heavy lifting for the Catholic Church, why should they meddle in his business?

… and lead us not into temptation! A response in kind would not be Christian, nor meet the requirement of charity that is the hallmark of CAF, even though that rule is now being broken. So thus, we’ll leave it at that …

 

[StrawberryJam]

… and lead us not into temptation! A response in kind would not be Christian, nor meet the requirement of charity that is the hallmark of CAF, even though that rule is now being broken. So thus, we’ll leave it at that …

A response in kind would be welcome by me. School me teacher.
If you allude to contempt for the Catholic Church, try again.
We can find many instances where she did things she should not have and apologized for them. Pointing these things out, just as many Catholic apologists do, is not showing contempt for the Catholic Church. Certainly not from a envelope filler Mass attender like myself.

 

[ByzCathCantor]

A response in kind would be welcome by me. School me teacher.
If you allude to contempt for the Catholic Church, try again.
We can find many instances where she did things she should not have and apologized for them. Pointing these things out, just as many Catholic apologists do, is not showing contempt for the Catholic Church. Certainly not from a envelope filler Mass attender like myself.

It is difficult to see how one can correlate the current dealings of Rev. Moon with historical errors of the Church. One need not be an apologist (I certainly am not) to ponder that question and approach.

Virtually all the posters to this thread have been extremely respectful of Rev. Moon and his followers, who have also posted openly, honestly and charitably here. This is the manner in which modern-day Catholics are called to engage their fellow man, irrespective of their individual beliefs, even those that seem radically different than ours.

 

[ByzCathCantor]

Chris, thank you for your comprehensive answer to the question I posed. I apologize for putting you on the spot when you are still very much a guest here. It was rude of me to do so, but I deeply appreciate your patience in answering.

No problem - being “put on the spot”, I don’t think you were at all rude, it was refreshing to be asked a direct question in a respectful manner. If people, whether on religious or political - or any other - matters, discussed, even disputed, in such a respectful manner we would be a lot closer to creating the Kingdom of Heaven Jesus asks us to pray for.

case in point

 

[StrawberryJam]

It is difficult to see how one can correlate the current dealings of Rev. Moon with historical errors of the Church. One need not be an apologist (I certainly am not) to ponder that question and approach.

Virtually all the posters to this thread have been extremely respectful of Rev. Moon and his followers, who have also posted openly, honestly and charitably here. This is the manner in which modern-day Catholics are called to engage their fellow man, irrespective of their individual beliefs, even those that seem radically different than ours.

I have shown no disrespect or respect for Moon. Nor should I be forced to do so in this forum. Likewise, you are also protected from those who proseletyze him. I do neither.

 

[havana1]

It is difficult to see how one can correlate the current dealings of Rev. Moon with historical errors of the Church. One need not be an apologist (I certainly am not) to ponder that question and approach.

How is it uncharitable to simply ask: Why hasn’t the pope, or anyone from the Vatican, ever met with Rev. Moon? Why is that a problematic question? As another poster stated, I’m under no obligation to “respect” Rev. Moon, though charity, civility, and CAF posting guidelines obligate me to do so. Please don’t derail this thread - the question at hand, which I am asking again, is whether the Vatican has ever established any dialogue with Rev. Moon. There’s no need to get defensive about it. Simply an honest question in need of an honest answer.

 

[ByzCathCantor]

havana1 - sorry and beg forgiveness for inferring otherwise, as that’s how you read my post, but certainly asking that question is not at all controversial, nor did I intend to suggest that. Further, as far as can be told, the Rev. Moon has never had an audience with the Pope or any of his representatives, for that matter.