The United States of Inequality

[Rascalking]

Nobody said ignore poverty. What was said is that tryng to “fix” income disparity does nothing to alleviate poverty.

Your absolutely right, but it doesn’t matter to the left. It’s what feels good. Since preaching about wealth re-distribution (usually and ironically from seaside mansions) feels good, they continue to do it.

Want to combat poverty? It’s super simple. Work hard, don’t make immoral choices. Bam. There you go.

 

[MillTownCath]

Margaret Thatcher said it best. When people start talking about a wealth gap, they would rather have the poor poorer, as long as the rich were less rich. She was, as per usual, 100 percent correct.

Incorrect. And that quote goes against the Catholic social teaching. I simply wish there would rather be a more stable middle class than what we have today.

The job creation done today is either very very low wage jobs or a few very very high wage jobs.

“The equal dignity of human persons requires the effort to reduce excessive social and economic inequalities. It gives urgency to the elimination of sinful inequalities.” - [1947] Catechism of the CC

 

[Rascalking]

Incorrect. I simply wish there would rather be a more stable middle class than what we have today.

It actually has alot to do with what were talking about, and it’s not “incorrect”. If 99 percent of leftists were hooked up to a polygraph, that is excatly the answer they would give. They would rather everyone was worse off. They are, for the most part, jealous, full of envy, and totally clueless to human nature.

Cheers!

 

[estesbob]

Incorrect. And that quote goes against the Catholic social teaching. I simply wish there would rather be a more stable middle class than what we have today.

The job creation done today is either very very low wage jobs or a few very very high wage jobs.

“The equal dignity of human persons requires the effort to reduce excessive social and economic inequalities. It gives urgency to the elimination of sinful inequalities.” - [1947] Catechism of the CC

Where does the Church define sinful inequalities?

 

[Rascalking]

Where does the Church define sinful inequalities?

He actually sadly right. The church is leftward on everything but abortion and gay marriage.

It’s the “class warfare” thing. I don’t get it, but many people think it’s simply fun to hate the rich.

 

[MillTownCath]

Want to combat poverty? It’s super simple. Work hard, don’t make immoral choices. Bam. There you go.

Nothing personal, but that is one of the most over simplistic naive things I’ve ever read.

If you’re a child born without healthcare who is raised by a single mother, without any real parenting or education, your problems won’t go just go away if you “work hard.” And you won’t have any real knowledge of what is immoral or not.

Try being a child born in a place where it’s hard to even get a clean drink of water.

The conservative view seems to be we should only help those who already have the means to help themselves.

 

[estesbob]

He actually sadly right. The church is leftward on everything but abortion and gay marriage.

It’s the “class warfare” thing. I don’t get it, but many people think it’s simply fun to hate the rich.

I don’t see that in my reading church documents.

 

[Rascalking]

Nothing personal, but that is one of the most over simplistic naive things I’ve ever read.

If you’re a child born without healthcare who is raised by a single mother, without any real parenting or education, your problems won’t go just go away if you “work hard.” And you won’t have any real knowledge of what is immoral or not.

The conservative view seems to be we should only help those who already have the means to help themselves.

Explain then to me how many people who have far worse circumstances rise above them and become better than what they have?

Most over simplistic and naive thing you ever read, huh? Does that make you feel better to say something like that? Are you showing off how “hip” and “realistic” you are? That your “cynical and jaded?”

EDIT-A dear friend of mine was born poor. She was born to a single mother, as where her four siblings. All are happily married, not on welfare, own their own homes-totally unlike their mom.

Please tell them they are “naive” and “simplistic”.

 

[MillTownCath]

I don’t see that in my reading church documents.

Imagine if President Obama said the following: “we need to work to reduce economic inequalities.”

Socialism! Marxism! Stalinism! Send in the troops!

That’s essentially what our Catholic social teaching commands of us.

“The equal dignity of human persons requires the effort to reduce excessive social and economic inequalities. It gives urgency to the elimination of sinful inequalities.” - [1947] Catechism of the CC

 

[estesbob]

Nothing personal, but that is one of the most over simplistic naive things I’ve ever read.

If you’re a child born without healthcare who is raised by a single mother, without any real parenting or education, your problems won’t go just go away if you “work hard.” And you won’t have any real knowledge of what is immoral or not.

Try being a child born in a place where it’s hard to even get a clean drink of water.

The conservative view seems to be we should only help those who already have the means to help themselves.

None of the above is mitigated in any way by limiting the amount of money those on the upper end of the spectrum make.

 

[estesbob]

Imagine if President Obama said the following: “we need to work to reduce economic inequalities.”

Socialism! Marxism! Stalinism! Send in the troops!

That’s essentially what our Catholic social teaching commands of us.

“The equal dignity of human persons requires the effort to reduce excessive social and economic inequalities. It gives urgency to the elimination of sinful inequalities.” - [1947] Catechism of the CC

But you’re operating on the false assumption that the current economic situation is an excessive inequality. , As usual those on the left want to hijack Catholic social teaching to push their political agenda.

 

[Rascalking]

I don’t see that in my reading church documents.

It’s just what I get from listening to their press releases/speeches etc. God knows I wish it wasn’t so!

 

[MillTownCath]

But you’re operating on the false assumption that the current economic situation is an excessive inequality. , As usual those on the left want to hijack Catholic social teaching to push their political agenda.

Of course. It’s called hijacking when “the left” (I’m pro-life) use it, but it’s okay if the right use abortion language to pander to religious voters.

Remind me to never use any religious language when trying to make the argument that even lazy freeloading poor people deserve health care.

It’s insane that Warren Buffet pays a lower tax rate than his office assistant. Plutocracy, gotta love it!

Racial inequality is even worse here. Whites’ net worth is 20 times that of blacks. But anyone who brings that up is just a reverse racist.

 

[Rascalking]

It’s insane that Warren Buffet pays a lower tax rate than his office assistant. Plutocracy, gotta love it!
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Notice how people like Warren Buffet preach about wanting to pay higher taxes-yet the IRS takes checks and money orders. Why not just give them more money and keep your mouth shut? Oh-it’s because you want to be “down” with the poor people.

It’s cool to be part of the working masses!

 

[MillTownCath]

Notice how people like Warren Buffet preach about wanting to pay higher taxes-yet the IRS takes checks and money orders. Why not just give them more money and keep your mouth shut? Oh-it’s because you want to be “down” with the poor people.

It’s cool to be part of the working masses!

His point is the government does not tax the super rich enough. He wants to see a change in government policy, and doing nothing, as you suggest he should do, only maintains the status quo.

Billionaires speaking out for “liberal” policy? Never though I’d see the day. Then again, the past few weeks the new extremes in Republican party has been called out by their own.
Ben Stein noted how ignorant Rick Perry’s remarks were about the federal reserve, and Jon Huntsman called his GOP rivals “extreme” and “unelectable.” About time.

cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7377602n&tag=contentMain%3BcontentBody
thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/08/21/huntsman-calls-his-rivals-unelectable/?ref=politics&gwh=1895BDFA224826944861FBC20C63F06B

 

[Rascalking]

But whatever, I’m sure all you non-billionaire conservatives know better than Warren Buffet.

No, we don’t. Thank God their are people like you who can tell me what to do with my money though.

At least a panhandler doesn’t force you to give money to him. He’s much more ethical than those of you who demand I pay more in taxes just because I work my butt off and happen to have money.

You mentioned your pro-life. Good, so am I. If we were all poor, how could I support my favorite pro-life charities? How could I give to the church if I had no money?

 

[MillTownCath]

No, we don’t. Thank God their are people like you who can tell me what to do with my money though.

At least a panhandler doesn’t force you to give money to him. He’s much more ethical than those of you who demand I pay more in taxes just because I work my butt off and happen to have money.

You mentioned your pro-life. Good, so am I. If we were all poor, how could I support my favorite pro-life charities? How could I give to the church if I had no money?

Paying taxes is NOT the same thing as giving money to a homeless fellow.
If you think so, you need to go back to school.

Those roads and highways you drive on? Yeah, they’re not free. Those unjust wars a supposedly “pro-life” President started? Yeah those were just a tad expensive. Good thing his tax cuts are doing wonders for the economy.

Catholic charities funding is often matched by tax payer funding, because helping the poor and needy turns out to benefit society.

“Budgeting with the common good in mind”
thecatholicspirit.com/that-they-may-all-be-one/budgeting-with-the-common-good-in-mind/

 

[Rascalking]

Catholic charities funding is often matched by tax payer funding, because helping the poor and needy turns out to benefit society.

Yes, it does. It should be a personal choice though.

I ask again-You mentioned your pro-life. Good, so am I. If we were all poor, how could I support my favorite pro-life charities? How could I give to the church if I had no money?

 

[estesbob]

His point is the government does not tax the super rich enough. He wants to see a change in government policy, and doing nothing, as you suggest he should do, only maintains the status quo.

Billionaires speaking out for “liberal” policy? Never though I’d see the day. Then again, the past few weeks the new extremes in Republican party has been called out by their own.
Ben Stein noted how ignorant Rick Perry’s remarks were about the federal reserve, and Jon Huntsman called his GOP rivals “extreme” and “unelectable.” About time.

cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7377602n&tag=contentMain%3BcontentBody
thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/08/21/huntsman-calls-his-rivals-unelectable/?ref=politics&gwh=1895BDFA224826944861FBC20C63F06B

Warren Buffett is entitled to his opinion about taxation, just like all of us are… However, his opinion about taxation has no bearing whatsoever as to whether there is an excessive income inequality in this country.

 

[MillTownCath]

Yes, it does. It should be a personal choice though.

I ask again-You mentioned your pro-life. Good, so am I. If we were all poor, how could I support my favorite pro-life charities? How could I give to the church if I had no money?

You couldn’t?