The Universal Catholic Church

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wynd said:
In Latin theology, a venial sin is a “lesser” sin that doesn’t require going to confession to have forgiven.
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I know, I don’t know what he was calling a Venial Sin?
 
Venial sin is to me serious enough to go to confession or pray each night as yes a daily confession, seeking forgiveness in our prayers.
Also I was going to compare it to having a vein cut going to the heart of our Lord, where as a mortal sin is like cutting an artery from the heart. So heresy is like cutting off your artery from the Church.
Maybe this doesn’t make much sense but I suppose some one would think that schism is like cutting an artery. Then there is all that cholesterol too ugh! Well let’s get back to the subject, I’m not liking the title to this thread. My final answer. My better title
The Catholic ( “universal” ) Church:)
 
East_and_West said:
Its a sin that does not separate you from God’s Grace. It still needs to be repented of and forgiven but it does not keep your from recieving the Eucharist.
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Yes that is true, did I say it separates us?

Obviously then the Orthodox can receive the Eucharist so they are not separated.
 
Nicholas82 said:
Do you think the catechism would or does allow for Orthodox Christians to recieve the Catholic Eucharist with no mention of such a reception being illicit(illegal according to roman canons)?
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This would, of course, assume that the Orthodox would receive Communion from a Catholic church. However, no such thing is allowed for Orthodox.
 
East_and_West said:
Its a sin that does not separate you from God’s Grace. It still needs to be repented of and forgiven but it does not keep your from recieving the Eucharist.
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dessert said:
Yes that is true, did I say it separates us?

Obviously then the Orthodox can receive the Eucharist so they are not separated.
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holdencaulfield said:
Yes, but Illicitly.
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Ok, I think you would be referring to Orthodox receiving in their own church. I think the whole idea of illicity is a bunch of bunk, but skipping past that for a moment…

Orthodox are allowed to receive in the Latin Catholic church too, according to the Latin Catholic church. They are not even required to profess a belief in any Latin Catholic dogmas like the Papal nor the Filioque. One can read this in the back (or front) of most Missals in the pews. How can that be interpreted as illicit?

The only other requirement is that the Orthodox Christian must have the permission of his/her bishop…a ‘supposedly’ illicit bishop! How can he have such an authority over whom receives the Holy Eucharist from a Latin Catholic altar? This is a total paradox not of Orthodox making.

We have to get way passed this licit-illicit jargon.

The attempt to place the Orthodox in the recycle bin just will not work.
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Of course, I doubt any Orthodox bishop will give his blessing for someone to have Communion in a Catholic church
 
I wonder too if the bishops are too happy about the receiving part. Can’t the priest give the permission without asking the bishop? That is why I didn’t answer his question because I am not Orthodox so I can’t answer for their priest. I’m thinking if I were Orthodox I would even go the the Latin rite Catholic or Eastern Catholic priest and introduce myself and explain I wish to receive, don’t you think this is the courteous manner to act. They are not illicit if they follow a manner approved by the law or canon. :o
 
Milliardo said:
Of course, I doubt any Orthodox bishop will give his blessing for someone to have Communion in a Catholic church
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I think that what I said got taken out of context. I said that no Catholic can Licitly recieve Communion at an Orthodox Church, just as no Orthodox can recieve Communion Licitly at a Catholic Church.
 
holdencaulfield said:
I think that what I said got taken out of context. I said that no Catholic can Licitly recieve Communion at an Orthodox Church, just as no Orthodox can recieve Communion Licitly at a Catholic Church.
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Under extraordinary circumstances a Catholic can receive Communion at an Orthodox church (I am not sure if such circumstances would also exist for the Orthodox–any Orthodox can clarify this for me), though I doubt an Orthodox priest though will readily give Communion to a non-Orthodox.
 
Milliardo said:
Under extraordinary circumstances a Catholic can receive Communion at an Orthodox church (I am not sure if such circumstances would also exist for the Orthodox–any Orthodox can clarify this for me), though I doubt an Orthodox priest though will readily give Communion to a non-Orthodox.
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The Orthodox position is that there is no communion outside of Orthodoxy. Any Orthodox who communes at a Catholic church automatically excommunicates himself. The Catholics, Latin and Eastern, will commune Orthodox, but Orthodox Christians have no permission to do so.
 
etnick said:
The Orthodox position is that there is no communion outside of Orthodoxy. Any Orthodox who communes at a Catholic church automatically excommunicates himself. The Catholics, Latin and Eastern, will commune Orthodox, but Orthodox Christians have no permission to do so.
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And this position is clearly laid out by which ruling body?

Spend some time in the Middle East, you might be surprised to see who is approaching the chalices there.
 
ASimpleSinner said:
And this position is clearly laid out by which ruling body?

Spend some time in the Middle East, you might be surprised to see who is approaching the chalices there.
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This position is clearly laid out by every Orthodox priest (of various jurisdictions) I’ve talked to. I would think they know what they are talking about.😉

P.S. I’ve never been to the Middle East and don’t intend to go anytime soon.
 
Milliardo said:
Under extraordinary circumstances a Catholic can receive Communion at an Orthodox church (I am not sure if such circumstances would also exist for the Orthodox–any Orthodox can clarify this for me), though I doubt an Orthodox priest though will readily give Communion to a non-Orthodox.
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Same with the Catholic Church.
 
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