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@lanman87,

And considering your theologians will ignore “ A man is justified by works “ as a figurative statement; I’m skeptical of the honesty your theologians’ exegesis.
 
steve-b said:
It’s honestly answering the objection.
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I know and I apologize if I’m coming off as snarky. Still, that explanation and the whole Mary’s other “Children” were really cousins seems to be a bit of a stretch to attempt to shoehorn Mariology into the text.
 
Michael16 said:
And considering your theologians will ignore “ A man is justified by works “ as a figurative statement; I’m skeptical of the honesty your theologians’ exegesis.
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We don’t ignore it, we just interpret it correctly. 😉
 
@lanman87,

I’ve debated a man into the GROUND on justification by faith. He went into linguistic analysis of the Greek. If Saint Paul was as clearly teaching faith alone as the man claimed; the native Greek speakers of the 1st century would be picked it up right away. So, either a colossal mistake in reading comprehension occurred in the 1st century; or the Church lies for 1,500 years.
 
Now, @lanman87.

I’ve demonstrated the truth that Our Lady never sinned.

Here after dinner, we’re going to school your soul into some PROPER Mariology.
 
Guess what, @lanman87:

That man NEVER debated me again on Scripture.
 
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lanman87 said:
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steve-b:
It’s honestly answering the objection.
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I know and I apologize if I’m coming off as snarky. Still, that explanation and the whole Mary’s other “Children” were really cousins seems to be a bit of a stretch to attempt to shoehorn Mariology into the text.
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Well,

if you can find them, name them
 
Michael16 said:
The Greek Word Presbuteros means Elder and Hierus means priest. The Douay-Rheims Bible used the word priest instead of elder to fit Catholic doctrine. The Protestant version is the correct translation.
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I don’t think I qualify as a “big gun” here.

I’ll note, though, that the term could be translated as “tamale” for all the difference it would make.

The role of the presbyters (or tamales) and their relation to the apostles and bishops in the first century is pretty clear. Whatever we translate this to in modern English, such as “priest”, has nothing to do with anything.

hawk
 
lanman87 said:
I’m not saying that Mary doesn’t deserve to be honored for her faithfulness and role in the incarnation of Christ.
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Good - She is the only one in the entire history of Creation that gave birth to God in the flesh… No ordinary mortal… Yet a totally ordinary mortal… Welcome to Christian Antimony…
lanman87 said:
Yes, the scripture is clear that they didn’t “know each other” until after Christ was born.
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That is Middle Eastern phraseology to make sure there was a virgin birth… It is in use to this day and hour…

Let’s say you were accused of murdering your dad when you were 11 with a gun… You could reply: “I never shot a gun until I was 12…” The meaning would be you had not shot a gun during the time period, and would be exculpatory… And you could then go on to say: “And indeed I am 46 years old, and I still have not shot a gun…”

geo
 
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lanman87 said:
There is nothing in that statement that says Ever Virgin, Sinless, immaculately conceived and so forth
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Nothing that says FORMER Virgin either, nor is there a list of her sins, and you are right, She was miraculously conceived in the normal way in a lawful marriage…

Do you call Her Blessed among women? Do you talk about her as the FORMER virgin? Because the latter is what you must do if you believe her virginity stopped after she gave birth to God Whose Father is God… For Her to then have conjugal relations with Joseph would be adultery, you see…

Actually, the marriage was to conceal the Christ-child in the appearance of a family that would camouflage Him, for Christianity is an undercover operation by God, as it had to be, for Herod sought the Child’s Life, killing some 2000 boys under two years old to make sure the Child was dead… But of course he failed… This concealment went on until He came to John the Baptist, and even after - It is why He asked Peter: “Who do people say that I am?”

geo
 
lanman87 said:
The Faith of Christ was practiced prior to the writing of the Bible…
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Has ANY Church preserved the Faith of Christ given once, for all, to the Apostles to disciple to ALL the nations baptizing them? The EOC has been out of Communion with the Western Latin Church for a thousand years now, and so we will have issues with some of the things they teach, but did the Faith survive intact in any of the Apostolic Churches established by Christ through the Hands of His Apostles?

Or can we safely say “No… Not one…” and hand out Bibles and tell everyone to read them and make up his own faith?

geo
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Jesus Christ is True God as well as True Man. He along with the Father and the Holy Spirit created everything ex nihilo. Since God can create everything by command, then WHY can’t you see that He can change bread and wine into His Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity by His Power?
 
steve-b said:
The scripture you accept, came from the Catholic Church. If you now aren’t accepting the Authority of the Catholic Church, you then as a Protestant have nothing to point to for anything you base your belief system on.
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Again weakest argument is one from authority, even one that is once right( scriptures) will always be right, even thousands years later.
 
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