The universe and outer space life

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We agree that God created the Universe? What do you suppose God thinks about extraterrestrial life? What about alien life coming to Earth? My grandfather and I had a very long discussion about this yesterday. We neither agreed nor disagreed on anything.
 
I hope it’s not like Independence Day :eek:

Seriously though, aliens coming here and having the exact same religion as one on Earth would convince many atheists I know. That would indeed be an interesting day. Just just hope they’re not one that goes door to door 😉
 
liquidpele said:
I hope it’s not like Independence Day :eek:

Seriously though, aliens coming here and having the exact same religion as one on Earth would convince many atheists I know. That would indeed be an interesting day. Just just hope they’re not one that goes door to door 😉
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Imagine the looks on everyone’s faces if the aliens landed and said, “Take me to the successor to Peter!”
 
With the vastness of the Universe, I cannot imagine it’s all there just for us to look at for decoration, that God had plans for other worlds we know nothing about. From the research I’ve gathered, it’s hard to define the nature of alien life, yet with a few areas, where a person claims the message came from an ET, they all state that the bible is true. What this imparts to me, is that if we as a race all became true Christians, living in peace together, our race would evolve in a very good way, making us acceptable and approachable by other advanced societies. That what is taught in the bible itself may be the benchmark of civilization throughout all of the universe, regardless of speseise.
 
There is nothing against natural reason about the possible existence of ETs, but the debate is … whether divine revelation seems to disqualify it. It definitely does not do it explicitly. Now, I’m not talking about ETs in terms of animal or vegetative life … nor am I talking about angels (so let’s not bring that up) … I’m talking about rational animals … that is, naturally corporeal creatures with intellectual faculties. If such creatures besides us are like that, then by definition they are made in the image of God and would have the equivalent of human dignity.

It seems to me that one of the main issues to be discussed is this: If aliens are not descended from Adam and Eve, what would Jesus Christ mean to them? Obviously, it’s possible that they could be unfallen, but if they are fallen (perhaps more likely?) would Jesus work as their savior? Or would it be necessary for a separate incarnation of God into their species (by the way, God can become incarnate more than once … I’ll give you the Summa Theologica quote for those who disagree). Augustine, I believe, said that if Christ had not descended from Adam but became incarnate out of nowhere (without being born) that His grace would not apply to us. If he’s right, then aliens would need a separate savior (but it would be the same God, of course, just with a different case of created nature).

Some of the potential theological problems/questions one runs into would be the following:
  • Is Christ really still the king of all creation, if Christ’s grace does not apply to them?
  • When “all creation fell” with Adam’s sin, did the aliens fall too? (obviously not, because that would involve forcing their free will)
  • Would there be stewards of creation besides humans? (or were we just given stewardship of the earth?)
  • What do we do about Mary??? If she is the queen of Heaven, doesn’t that imply there are no other queens of heaven? (or perhaps different alien reproductive processes take care of that mess)
Some things that may seem like problems (but I don’t think are) would be:
  • The aliens would have a completely separate Church, both physically and mystically, since the Church is the Body of Christ, and their Church would be the Body of … whatever their savior would be (in a sense, they would have a different religion … but still a true one)
  • They would have a separate divine revelation, with a separate theological virtue of faith … unless of course, their divine revelation includes ours somehow (and perhaps has more than ours; maybe they know all the names of the archangels, for example)
  • They would have a different Pope if one at all
Other speculation:
  • Baptism in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit may be a sacrament shared by the Alien Church since it involves invoking the Trinity and not specifically Christ, who would only be relevant to humanity
  • They may have some crazy other sacraments that give unique graces we may never get
  • Perhaps their divinely ordained mission and revelation is to assist humans in a primarily unseen manner, similar to angels, but being able to relate to humans more, due to their corporeal nature
This stuff is nice to think about. It exercises theological muscles that are normally dormant and can assist one in learning more thoroughly at theological principles.

Personally, I have no idea if aliens exist. I’ve listened to a lot of ex-Area 51 employee interviews and they sound very convincing … but who knows, it could be government misinformation or something. Also, alien sighting could be the result of demonic illusions “trying to confuse us” and that might seem convincing with all the new-age religions based on aliens, like Scientology. I heard at one point (though I don’t know if it’s true) that the most UFO sightings in the world happen above Israel and the Vatican. There might be some supernatural connection.

For what it’s worth, the former Vatican exorcist (he passed away) name Corrado Balducci firmly believed in the existence of aliens, due to the abounding reports of alien abduction. He also said that aliens were not angelic or demonic manifestations either. That might stand for something, considering he is the Vatican exorcist.
 
I found a website. Google this:

CE4 Research Group

I have always seen them as being demonic.
 
Godfollower said:
Imagine the looks on everyone’s faces if the aliens landed and said, “Take me to the successor to Peter!”
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Yes, and imagine the looks on the faces of Catholics if they declared: “here are some missing pages from the book of Mormon!” It would be a sight to behold… What would the Pope do? Would he submit to this new revelation? I doubt it.
 
Godfollower said:
Imagine the looks on everyone’s faces if the aliens landed and said, “Take me to the successor to Peter!”
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Spock said:
Yes, and imagine the looks on the faces of Catholics if they declared: “here are some missing pages from the book of Mormon!” It would be a sight to behold… What would the Pope do? Would he submit to this new revelation? I doubt it.
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It doesn’t prove anything either way. There is little or no reason to assume the aliens know more than us on supernatural matters, nor is there reason to assume some of them aren’t out to deceive us for one reason or the other.

The most reasonable thing to assume is that the aliens, like humans, are varied amongst themselves regarding religious matters and even philosophical matters. There is a tendency to envision aliens as all being on the same page, whether good or evil, but that doesn’t make much sense. It’s conceivable too that if aliens do show up and intermingle with the human race, different sections of an alien population might gravitate to different human religions, and likewise, different section of the human population might adopt different alien religions. They’re probably just as complicated as us. That’s just my opinion. I think it’s common sense.
 
Areopagite said:
It doesn’t prove anything either way. There is little or no reason to assume the aliens know more than us on supernatural matters, nor is there reason to assume some of them aren’t out to deceive us for one reason or the other.

The most reasonable thing to assume is that the aliens, like humans, are varied amongst themselves regarding religious matters and even philosophical matters. There is a tendency to envision aliens as all being on the same page, whether good or evil, but that doesn’t make much sense. It’s conceivable too that if aliens do show up and intermingle with the human race, different sections of an alien population might gravitate to different human religions, and likewise, different section of the human population might adopt different alien religions. They’re probably just as complicated as us. That’s just my opinion. I think it’s common sense.
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I wholeheartedly agree. It was just fun to ask a silly question. And they might have just listened to our broadcasting and decided to play a little joke on us. Though, to be sure, I would think that a race which reached interstellar travel has left religion far behind (if they ever had it)… but again that is my opinion only.
 
Spock said:
I wholeheartedly agree. It was just fun to ask a silly question. And they might have just listened to our broadcasting and decided to play a little joke on us. Though, to be sure, I would think that a race which reached interstellar travel has left religion far behind (if they ever had it)… but again that is my opinion only.
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People of earth: I think they’re already here, and yes they did leave religion behind. They run our news media among other things. 😉
 
Areopagite said:
For what it’s worth, the former Vatican exorcist (he passed away) name Corrado Balducci firmly believed in the existence of aliens, due to the abounding reports of alien abduction. He also said that aliens were not angelic or demonic manifestations either. That might stand for something, considering he is the Vatican exorcist.
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Is there a source for this? Also, as the Vatican exorcist, did he somehow personally get reports of alien abductions?
 
This article is usually always brought up on these ET threads, so…

Canticle of Brother Extraterrestrial?
Francesco M. Valiante
Interview with Fr. Funes, S.J. Director, Specola Vaticana

ewtn.com/library/ANSWERS/intfrfunes.HTM

Genesis speaks of the Earth, the animals, and men and women. Does this exclude the possibility of the existence of other worlds, or other living creatures in the universe?

In my opinion this possibility does exist. Astronomers hold that the universe is formed of 100 billion galaxies, each composed of 100 billion stars. Many of these, or almost all of them, could have planets. How can we exclude that life may have developed in other places?

There is a branch of astronomy, called astrobiology, that studies precisely this aspect, and it has made great progress in the last few years. By examining light spectra from other planets and stars, we should soon be able to identify the elements of their atmospheres, the so-called “biomakers”, and understand whether the conditions for the birth and development of life exist. In fact, forms of life could exist in theory, even without oxygen or hydrogen.

Do you mean beings like us, or more highly developed than us?

It is possible. Up to now we have no proof, but certainly in a universe so vast no hypothesis can be excluded.

And would that present a problem for our faith?

I do not think it would. Just as there is a multiplicity of creatures on the Earth, so there could be other beings, including intelligent ones, created by God. This is not in contrast with our faith, because we cannot set limits to the creative freedom of God. If we consider earthly creatures as “brothers” and “sisters”, as St. Francis did, why should we not speak also of an “extraterrestrial brother”? He would still be part of Creation.

And what about Redemption?

Let us borrow the Gospel image of the lost sheep. The shepherd leaves the other 99 sheep in the pen to go and look for the one who is lost. We think that in this universe there may be 100 sheep, corresponding to diverse kinds of creatures. We human beings may be the lost sheep, the sinners who need the shepherd. God became man in Jesus to save us. Even if other intelligent beings were to exist, they may not necessarily be in need of Redemption. They could have remained in full friendship with their Creator.

But if they were sinners, would Redemption be possible for them?

Jesus became flesh only once. The Incarnation is an event which cannot be repeated. But I am sure that they, too, in some way, would have the possibility to enjoy the God’s mercy just as we have had.​
 
catholic1seeks said:
Is there a source for this? Also, as the Vatican exorcist, did he somehow personally get reports of alien abductions?
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YouTube videos:
youtube.com/watch?v=eTfQ–gGyNc&feature=related
youtube.com/watch?v=ua26wcJ8Z80&feature=related

The occasional images superimposed on the last video (by whoever made the video) of religious icons with supposed ET craft can possibly be convincingly explained away by this video (although it’s made by an iconoclast Protestant):
youtube.com/watch?v=ki-y6YEsMRs

There’s a bunch of other videos of him (Corrado Balducci) on YouTube, but they’re all in Italian.

I would very much think that he encountered alleged alien abductees because there are a lot of them, and such abductions at least resemble demonic activity (thus, occasioning an investigation by an exorcist).
 
I’d hate to buy from them since they seem to be the ultra-traditional “Catholics” who believe that the Church went into apostasy during Vatican II

…after all, they have links that say “the Heresies of Vatican II” and “Vatican II ‘Catholic Church’ Exposed”.

🤷
 
There is an online sample of the entire book:

mostholyfamilymonastery.com/ufos.php

Even though the source is what you would call the ultra-traditional, pre-Vatican II schismatics, I found this resource to be very helpful. I read through the whole online resource; the book is only about 30/40 pages long. The author uses many resources from scientists, and he includes everything from the actual UFO phenomenon to “alien” abductions.

The basic conclusion that I got from the resource was that “alien” abductions resemble very closely to demonic possessions, satanic cults, and the New Age.

Just prior to reading this, I was very skeptical about demons being behind the whole UFO thing because I don’t like labeling things hard to explain “demonic” (e.g., like many people do to evolution…). But the book was very convincing.

EDIT: Read as much as you can and tell me what you think of it? I think it makes sense.
 
I thought the book was well done and it made sense to me, asking questions like why aliens haven’t just taken over if they’re so advanced. Instead they just watch and cause trouble when they can? - like angels, fallen angels, very powerful but can’t take over, just watch.

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I saw satan fall from heaven like lightening. Lk 10:18
 
malachi3 said:
I thought the book was well done and it made sense to me, asking questions like why aliens haven’t just taken over if they’re so advanced. Instead they just watch and cause trouble when they can? - like angels, fallen angels, very powerful but can’t take over, just watch.

:idea:
I saw satan fall from heaven like lightening. Lk 10:18
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That is a very good point!

Unfortunately, the average “new age” response would be something like, “Well, that’s because the “good” ones prevent the bad ones from doing so.” :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
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