The universe and outer space life

[Areopagite]

There is an online sample of the entire book:

mostholyfamilymonastery.com/ufos.php

Even though the source is what you would call the ultra-traditional, pre-Vatican II schismatics, I found this resource to be very helpful. I read through the whole online resource; the book is only about 30/40 pages long. The author uses many resources from scientists, and he includes everything from the actual UFO phenomenon to “alien” abductions.

The basic conclusion that I got from the resource was that “alien” abductions resemble very closely to demonic possessions, satanic cults, and the New Age.

This is true. There are similarities. And perhaps some alleged alien abductions are demonic events. However, it is interesting that the experienced exorcists do not seem to hold this view. Once again, the Vatican Exorcist Corrado Balducci has found enough dissimilarities between UFO/alien abduction cases and demonic activity. He claims that there is enough evidence to suggest aliens exist and that they are bodily creatures like us. However, he also said they may be of a species somewhere between human nature and angelic nature. This would explain a lot of stereotypical characteristics of them: their advanced intelligence and their psychic powers and perhaps even their possible interdimensional qualities. Also, it could explain why many of them appear demonic. Sinful aliens could very much be likened to demons, and perhaps many of them are possessed. There have been accounts, of course, of abductees being unmolested and in fact cured of past ailments (by good aliens?).

Just prior to reading this, I was very skeptical about demons being behind the whole UFO thing because I don’t like labeling things hard to explain “demonic” (e.g., like many people do to evolution…). But the book was very convincing.

It wasn’t too convincing to me for a couple of reasons.

His argument about the impossibility of actual craft doing the things UFOs have been seen to do (dramatically change trajectory, go faster than light, etc.) can all be explained away if in fact they employ anti-gravitational technology, which has always been the theory. Also, it’s always been theorized that their energy source is some anti-matter technology, which would provide plenty of power to answer his objections. Much of this is corroborated by the testimonies of alleged ex-Area 51 workers (technically ex-S4 workers) on their experience and study of downed alien spacecraft.

But this could all be lies.

But don’t take my word for it, here are some links:

Video on the physics of anti-gravity technology:
youtube.com/watch?v=9xnh5Nd4DzM

Parts of an Interview (with images) with Bob Lazar (alleged ex-S4 employee who studied an alien spacecraft) explaining how saucers employ anti-gravity technology:
youtube.com/watch?v=lUkRBiYiqGs&feature=related

Video smuggled out of S4 of an alien (conveniently dark) and narrated by “Victor” (the alias of an anonymous S4 employee who smuggled it out):
youtube.com/watch?v=MDFIzO5zG-k

Excerpts of an Interview with “Victor” explaining the deal about the “telepaths” the government employes to try to interview captured aliens (Victor stammers a lot here because, supposedly, he is paranoid the government’s trying to kill him and because he’s worried of giving too much information and thereby give away his identity) … he has some interesting things to say about his experience being in the presence of the alien:
youtube.com/watch?v=4AU1bXCUdnc&feature=related
youtube.com/watch?v=VzAtSg2V7kc&feature=related

And if you really have time, here’s an interview with Phillip Corso, a real, legit Colonel who had access to government information about aliens and actually saw alien bodies:
youtube.com/watch?v=UtUUQdV0dcg

It’s all entertaining. It could be all garbage. It’s my impression (perhaps unfounded) that certain Christians (especially ultra-conservative Vatican 2-hating schismatics) reject the idea of aliens because they think their existence goes contrary to Christianity. They sort of assume aliens don’t exist, and then go from there. They don’t seem very objective.

But are aliens contrary to divine revelation? If enough Christians convince people that the answer is yes, and then it turns out aliens exist, we might have a lot of apostasy on our hands. Maybe that is how the devil is working.

 

[catholic1seeks]

This is true. There are similarities. And perhaps some alleged alien abductions are demonic events. However, it is interesting that the experienced exorcists do not seem to hold this view. Once again, the Vatican Exorcist Corrado Balducci has found enough dissimilarities between UFO/alien abduction cases and demonic activity. He claims that there is enough evidence to suggest aliens exist and that they are bodily creatures like us. However, he also said they may be of a species somewhere between human nature and angelic nature. This would explain a lot of stereotypical characteristics of them: their advanced intelligence and their psychic powers and perhaps even their possible interdimensional qualities. Also, it could explain why many of them appear demonic. Sinful aliens could very much be likened to demons, and perhaps many of them are possessed. There have been accounts, of course, of abductees being unmolested and in fact cured of past ailments (by good aliens?).

It wasn’t too convincing to me for a couple of reasons.

His argument about the impossibility of actual craft doing the things UFOs have been seen to do (dramatically change trajectory, go faster than light, etc.) can all be explained away if in fact they employ anti-gravitational technology, which has always been the theory. Also, it’s always been theorized that their energy source is some anti-matter technology, which would provide plenty of power to answer his objections. Much of this is corroborated by the testimonies of alleged ex-Area 51 workers (technically ex-S4 workers) on their experience and study of downed alien spacecraft.

But this could all be lies.

But don’t take my word for it, here are some links:

Video on the physics of anti-gravity technology:
youtube.com/watch?v=9xnh5Nd4DzM

Parts of an Interview (with images) with Bob Lazar (alleged ex-S4 employee who studied an alien spacecraft) explaining how saucers employ anti-gravity technology:
youtube.com/watch?v=lUkRBiYiqGs&feature=related

Video smuggled out of S4 of an alien (conveniently dark) and narrated by “Victor” (the alias of an anonymous S4 employee who smuggled it out):
youtube.com/watch?v=MDFIzO5zG-k

Excerpts of an Interview with “Victor” explaining the deal about the “telepaths” the government employes to try to interview captured aliens (Victor stammers a lot here because, supposedly, he is paranoid the government’s trying to kill him and because he’s worried of giving too much information and thereby give away his identity) … he has some interesting things to say about his experience being in the presence of the alien:
youtube.com/watch?v=4AU1bXCUdnc&feature=related
youtube.com/watch?v=VzAtSg2V7kc&feature=related

And if you really have time, here’s an interview with Phillip Corso, a real, legit Colonel who had access to government information about aliens and actually saw alien bodies:
youtube.com/watch?v=UtUUQdV0dcg

It’s all entertaining. It could be all garbage. It’s my impression (perhaps unfounded) that certain Christians (especially ultra-conservative Vatican 2-hating schismatics) reject the idea of aliens because they think their existence goes contrary to Christianity. They sort of assume aliens don’t exist, and then go from there. They don’t seem very objective.

But are aliens contrary to divine revelation? If enough Christians convince people that the answer is yes, and then it turns out aliens exist, we might have a lot of apostasy on our hands. Maybe that is how the devil is working.

GREAT… Now everything’s even more confusing
I have to admit that I’d rather ETs be demons because I don’t really understand how ETs could be compatible with Christianity.

 

[Areopagite]

GREAT… Now everything’s even more confusing
I have to admit that I’d rather ETs be demons because I don’t really understand how ETs could be compatible with Christianity.

I know that it would seem “easier” if they were demons, but sometimes reality (and even theology) doesn’t cater to our desires for simplicity.

I think there would be a lot less confusion if the theological implications of alien life was worked out. The idea that “ETs must be denied because their existence would contradict the Bible!” (oh really?) is a dangerous attitude and really does not resolve people’s confusion (especially, if aliens do exist).

I do think the devil is using the idea of aliens to confuse people, though. But the devil can use all sorts of things to confuse people, even good things. The way to resolve and fight the confusion … is to face the issue and figure out the theology.

That’s my opinion. Maybe I’m crazy.

 

[catholic1seeks]

I know that it would seem “easier” if they were demons, but sometimes reality (and even theology) doesn’t cater to our desires for simplicity.

I think there would be a lot less confusion if the theological implications of alien life was worked out. The idea that “ETs must be denied because their existence would contradict the Bible!” (oh really?) is a dangerous attitude and really does not resolve people’s confusion (especially, if aliens do exist).

I do think the devil is using the idea of aliens to confuse people, though. But the devil can use all sorts of things to confuse people, even good things. The way to resolve and fight the confusion … is to face the issue and figure out the theology.

That’s my opinion. Maybe I’m crazy.

Thanks for the reply!!! You’re very helpful!!

 

[Kamalayka]

I know that it would seem “easier” if they were demons, but sometimes reality (and even theology) doesn’t cater to our desires for simplicity.

Follow Paul’s advice: All spirits who deny that Christ came in the flesh is antichrist.

I think there would be a lot less confusion if the theological implications of alien life was worked out. The idea that “ETs must be denied because their existence would contradict the Bible!” (oh really?) is a dangerous attitude and really does not resolve people’s confusion (especially, if aliens do exist).

Why even bother working it out? The only “knowledge” we have concerning the existence of ETs comes from science fiction and people who say they were abducted. (I find it odd how supposed “advanced” life forms would perform crude, barbaric experiments on people.)

 

[Areopagite]

Follow Paul’s advice: All spirits who deny that Christ came in the flesh is antichrist.

And you’re suggesting that aliens deny Christ? I’m not sure what you’re saying here.

Why even bother working it out? The only “knowledge” we have concerning the existence of ETs comes from science fiction and people who say they were abducted. (I find it odd how supposed “advanced” life forms would perform crude, barbaric experiments on people.)

So, you are equating advanced intelligence with moral goodness? In that case, Satan should be morally perfect, because he has an angelic intellect.

Just because someone may be smart doesn’t mean they’re not going to be evil. On the contrary, one can misuse one’s intellectual gifts and thus enhance one’s ability to do evil to another.

 

[itinerant1]

That intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe can’t be ruled out as a possibility. After all, some folks claim that someday we might even encounter intelligent life here on Earth.

We Catholics should be okay with the idea that intelligent life could possibly exist elsewhere, just as long as we don’t imagine a cosmic Christ hopping from planet to planet.

In any case, discussions about aliens brings to mind what seems to be an historical fact: that Christians in previous centuries showed much more interest in the heavenly angels than we moderns do. That lively interest in those angels which do exist seems to have been supplanted to a significant degree by an interest in aliens, which we are not sure do exist.

Hence, my question as to whether there is intelligent life on Earth.

 

[IHeartAquinas]

I have to admit that I’d rather ETs be demons because I don’t really understand how ETs could be compatible with Christianity.

Quite simple. Until the conversion of Saul, the Gentiles were considered excluded from Christ’s message. In the same way as Christianity found its core amongst converted Jews and then spread around the world, Christianity has found its core amongst converted Earthlings and will spread around the universe.

The “Firefly” series paid homage to this fact by introducing the concept of a “Shepherd.” Though the role is not clearly defined in the series, it seems to be equivalent to a solitary missionary that travels around spreading his message.

If God created everything, then indeed He created any ET’s that might exist. Or, like in the Firefly universe, we may find out that we are indeed His only creation, and any planets that can support life are there for us to utilize as it becomes necessary.

All that being said, if there are multiple lifeforms in the universe, one of them had to advance first. Why isn’t it ever considered that WE might be the most advanced thus far?