The use of God instead of Him in the Mass

[cranster]

I don’t know why this bothers me but it does, and perhaps I should just get over it.

In the mass when we say “It is right to give Him thanks and praise”.

There is invariably someone, almost always a female that says, “It is right to give God thanks and praise” It is always distracting, and I always think of feminism and rebellion against the patriarchal structure of the Church…

I don’t know if both forms are correct. If it is then I just need to offer it up, but it always takes my mind off of the celebration of the mass momentarily.

 

[mercygate]

I don’t know why this bothers me but it does, and perhaps I should just get over it.

In the mass when we say “It is right to give Him thanks and praise”.

There is invariably someone, almost always a female that says, “It is right to give God thanks and praise” It is always distracting, and I always think of feminism and rebellion against the patriarchal structure of the Church…

I don’t know if both forms are correct. If it is then I just need to offer it up, but it always takes my mind off of the celebration of the mass momentarily.

Cranster, can you hear my teeth grinding? This drives me NUTS, too.

I’m old. I’m a woman. I was there when it started. This was introduced strictly as a feminist attack on the idea that God should be characterized as “He.” Forget about Scripture (that dead, White, European, male, patriarchal, phallocentric, female-oppressing book) and God the “Father.”

“Father” – forgive them, for they know not what they do!

 

[trimont]

Interesting! This is something I’ve only noticed recently and guess who’s saying it in my parish? The religious sister who is responsible for our RCIA program… She’s definitely on the liberal, feminist side, so now this makes sense.

 

[mercygate]

Interesting! This is something I’ve only noticed recently and guess who’s saying it in my parish? The religious sister who is responsible for our RCIA program… She’s definitely on the liberal, feminist side, so now this makes sense.

Right. All the 80-year-old nuns at the convent I go to for Mass on Saturdays do it, too. (where’s the barf smiley when you need it?)

 

[cranster]

I hear it at daily mass from a number of women, and Sunday evening mass at the Parish that’s part of the Catholic college campus. It’s the young females and they make sure that every one hears them.

I can usually get back on track pretty quickly, but I always get pulled out of the celebration momentarily. When I was a kid, I never heard it.

I would like to know if it’s proper to use God instead of He. I really don’t know. But it’s always irritating, and I do the best I can to offer it up. I’m guessing they either don’t have any idea or really don’t care that they are distracting people that just want to be totally present to the sacrifice of the mass.

 

[drforjc]

I hear it at daily mass from a number of women, and Sunday evening mass at the Parish that’s part of the Catholic college campus. It’s the young females and they make sure that every one hears them.

I can usually get back on track pretty quickly, but I always get pulled out of the celebration momentarily. When I was a kid, I never heard it.

I would like to know if it’s proper to use God instead of He. I really don’t know. But it’s always irritating, and I do the best I can to offer it up. I’m guessing they either don’t have any idea or really don’t care that they are distracting people that just want to be totally present to the sacrifice of the mass.

No, it’s not proper. No one has the authority to change the official translation which has been promulgated, having been approved by the proper authorities and confirmed by the Holy See.
It really is as simple as that. They are not supposed to change the text.

 

[cranster]

No, it’s not proper. No one has the authority to change the official translation which has been promulgated, having been approved by the proper authorities and confirmed by the Holy See.
It really is as simple as that. They are not supposed to change the text.

Unfortunately I still have to suck it up, and reconcentrate. I wish someone would address the issue, because I’m sure MercyGate and I aren’t the only ones distracted by this. I guess you can’t change people, only how you react to them. Oh well, I just really wanted to know. I sure wouldn’t want to receive Jesus knowing that I’m in open rebellion. To each their own I guess!

Thanks

 

[kleary]

I don’t know why this bothers me but it does, and perhaps I should just get over it.

In the mass when we say “It is right to give Him thanks and praise”.

There is invariably someone, almost always a female that says, “It is right to give God thanks and praise” It is always distracting, and I always think of feminism and rebellion against the patriarchal structure of the Church…

I don’t know if both forms are correct. If it is then I just need to offer it up, but it always takes my mind off of the celebration of the mass momentarily.

I thought this was the “Traditional Catholicism” forum.

In the “Traditional Mass”, we do not say, “It is right to give him thanks and praise”. We say, “Dignum et justem est”, which means, “It is meet and just”.

 

[cranster]

I thought this was the “Traditional Catholicism” forum.

In the “Traditional Mass”, we do not say, “It is right to give him thanks and praise”. We say, “Dignum et justem est”, which means, “It is meet and just”.

Sorry, haven’t been to that Mass since I was in the first grade in 63. I’m sure this will get kicked to whatever the right forum is. It would sure cure this headache if I could find a daily Mass where they did say that.

 

[markadm]

Even the Latin of the novus ordo Mass has that too. This is an English translation issue.

…or not, because theologically God is a He (in a manner of speaking).

 

[blessedtoo]

Cranster, can you hear my teeth grinding? This drives me NUTS, too.

I’m old. I’m a woman. I was there when it started. This was introduced strictly as a feminist attack on the idea that God should be characterized as “He.” Forget about Scripture (that dead, White, European, male, patriarchal, phallocentric, female-oppressing book) and God the “Father.”

“Father” – forgive them, for they know not what they do!

Another old gal checking in to say this drives me crazy too. As well as eliminating “for us ____ and for our salvation” from the creed.

I stopped going to the Parishes who insist on doing this. The Parish I attend now uses the pronoun “Him” in all it’s glory!

 

[LilyM]

Today at Mass the reader, a feminist-era-vintage woman, used “God” and “God’s” in place of “Him” and “His” (albeit not consistently) while reading the Responsorial Psalm

A liberty that thanks be to God I have never heard anyone else take with the sacred scriptures, and one that I certainly don’t when I’m reading.

 

[mercygate]

Today at Mass the reader, a feminist-era-vintage woman, used “God” and “God’s” in place of “Him” and “His” (albeit not consistently) while reading the Responsorial Psalm

A liberty that thanks be to God I have never heard anyone else take with the sacred scriptures, and one that I certainly don’t when I’m reading.

At the Church in Manhattan where I attend daily Mass, one of the readers is a Jesuit priest, who, for some reasons comes to this parish for daily Mass, but does not concelebrate. He ALWAYS alters the pronoun wherever it appears in the readings. He, too, is of the feminist era vintage.

My generation has a LOT to answer for.

 

[francesco920]

I don’t know why this bothers me but it does, and perhaps I should just get over it.

In the mass when we say “It is right to give Him thanks and praise”.

There is invariably someone, almost always a female that says, “It is right to give God thanks and praise” It is always distracting, and I always think of feminism and rebellion against the patriarchal structure of the Church…

I don’t know if both forms are correct. If it is then I just need to offer it up, but it always takes my mind off of the celebration of the mass momentarily.

You’re completely right…it’s annoying, frustrating, and distracting.

It is not correct to ever change the words of the Holy Bible, especially if the motivation for doing so is feminist nonsense.

 

[agangbern]

Did the Lord God not become Emmanuel in the person of a male? Women should also humble themselves and accept the fact that the Lord God presented Himself to mankind as male. There is no reason to hide that fact.

 

[Biblioassistant]

It is so annoying. I’m of the feminist era, but I’ve parted ways with almost all of what they advocate. The only thing I agree with them on is that we must allow women to develop their brains and talents and not tell them that they can’t be a doctor, lawyer, electrician ect. because they are female.

Jesus was a male. He was a Jew. He referred to God as Father. If you can’t accept that, I’m sorry. Jesus was not an American, or African or Dane. He didn’t refer to God as his Mother or his Sister or his Brother.

Sigh.

People are strange.

 

[Chovy]

What a timely post. DH and I just moved and yesterday the parish we are trying out did this. I still said “Him,” That combined with the singing of a song from the Lutheran hymnal ( I wish I was making this up) has encouraged me to try out one of the other nearby parishes instead.

My first recollection of this was when my oldest sister was in the convent and the Sisters talked to me about embracing God as a Mother as well as a Father and encouraged me not to say Him or He anymore in prayer. <<<I WAS FIVE!!>>> That combined with many other situations of that nature ensured that I would never send my children to a school run by that order.

 

[cranster]

It is so annoying. I’m of the feminist era, but I’ve parted ways with almost all of what they advocate. The only thing I agree with them on is that we must allow women to develop their brains and talents and not tell them that they can’t be a doctor, lawyer, electrician ect. because they are female.

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I whole heartedly agree with this aspect. No one should be discriminated against, or receive less equality than any other member of the human race.

I met the Missionaries of Charity for the first time in my town a couple weeks ago. Incredible holy women by the way. One of the sisters made a statement to someone that was going to put on a woman’s retreat that women in America have become to high. They want to be priests, and yet the Blessed Mother would have been a better Priest than any man (Christ excluded of course). Yet, she only desired to be the handmaid of the Lord. She went on to say that women need to take the Blessed Mother as their example. I’m very interested in the LMC, but they aren’t here yet.

 

[mercygate]

Did the Lord God not become Emmanuel in the person of a male? Women should also humble themselves and accept the fact that the Lord God presented Himself to mankind as male. There is no reason to hide that fact.

To be fair, all but the most poisonous feminists do use the pronooun “he” for Jesus.

 

[MH84]

I don’t know why this bothers me but it does, and perhaps I should just get over it.

In the mass when we say “It is right to give Him thanks and praise”.

There is invariably someone, almost always a female that says, “It is right to give God thanks and praise” It is always distracting, and I always think of feminism and rebellion against the patriarchal structure of the Church…

I don’t know if both forms are correct. If it is then I just need to offer it up, but it always takes my mind off of the celebration of the mass momentarily.

Ever since I have been going on Catholic forums I tend to get annoyed at people changing prayers to be politically correct.