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CaptainPrudeman
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I may be a little sensitive, but does this sound derogatory to anyone else? It feels offensive when used in the place of “Ordinary Form,” like it has a negative connotation.
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Wife.of.Gabriel
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Is it Latin for New Order?
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Fauken
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To me? No. But I prefer the TLM, so I may be biased.
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giuseppe96
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It’s just short for the “Novus Ordo Missæ”, that’s “New Order of the Mass” as was called by Pope St Paul VI himself.
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CaptainPrudeman
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It is, but the usage has certain negative connotations, at least to me.
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giuseppe96
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Same here. I feel that Novus Ordo and Tridentine are less mouthfuls than Ordinary Form and Extraordinary Form.
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giuseppe96
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It is used by radical traditionalists when criticizing Paul VI and Vatican II. Faithful Catholics may either call it “Novus Ordo” or the “Ordinary Form”.
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Tis_Bearself
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I’m not offended by it, but the term “Novus Ordo” is most often used by people who want to bash that form of the Mass.
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Mtatum1958
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To some, this has pejorative connotations, I see it most often used in traditionalist circles critiquing the Pauline liturgical reform. While I don’t find anything particularly offensive about I think the terms ordinarily form and extraordinary form easily used and not to terribly difficult.
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Zach
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If you want brevity just use OF and EF (or TLM)
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giuseppe96
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Well yes, in writing. I typically do abbreviate using NO and TLM. I was referring to spoken dialogue.
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ioannes_pius
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No, I am not offended by the use of the term “Novus Ordo.”
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CRV
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I’ve been sacristan for both forms of the Mass and I attend both forms of the Mass.
I admit I tend to refer to it as the Novus Ordo meaning the New Mass in light that it has only been around for 50 years when compared to the TLM. It’s just an unthinking habit I’ve picked up, and I have to make a conscious effort to refer to them as either the Ordinary Form or the Extraordinary Form (more of a mouthful as someone else said). I rarely think of the term Tridentine Mass or even simply The Latin Mass.
I do not use it to “bash” those who prefer the Ordinary Form Mass, nor am I one who criticizes either Vatican II or Paul VI etc etc etc.
These are just interchangable descriptive words I use depending on to whom I am speaking.
At my parish both forms are celebrated reverently.
I admit I tend to refer to it as the Novus Ordo meaning the New Mass in light that it has only been around for 50 years when compared to the TLM. It’s just an unthinking habit I’ve picked up, and I have to make a conscious effort to refer to them as either the Ordinary Form or the Extraordinary Form (more of a mouthful as someone else said). I rarely think of the term Tridentine Mass or even simply The Latin Mass.
I do not use it to “bash” those who prefer the Ordinary Form Mass, nor am I one who criticizes either Vatican II or Paul VI etc etc etc.
These are just interchangable descriptive words I use depending on to whom I am speaking.
At my parish both forms are celebrated reverently.
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LisaB
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I’ve even heard our priest use the term, and certainly not in a derogatory way, so no, there is nothing pejorative about it. Just because some people use a term to disparage something or offend someone doesn’t make a perfectly legitimate term offensive all of a sudden. I never understood that logic. 
I think we worry about this stuff too much here on CAF. I went to a NO Mass in Oregon last summer while on vacation, and it was incredibly beautiful - lots of Latin, communion at the rail, very reverent, etc. I talked to the priest about it afterwards, and he said, I’ll let the pastor know that you appreciated the new rite here. If I said that here on CAF, I would get a lecture how it’s not a separate rite, etc etc. But in real life, it’s just semantics. Even priests don’t worry about it.
I think we worry about this stuff too much here on CAF. I went to a NO Mass in Oregon last summer while on vacation, and it was incredibly beautiful - lots of Latin, communion at the rail, very reverent, etc. I talked to the priest about it afterwards, and he said, I’ll let the pastor know that you appreciated the new rite here. If I said that here on CAF, I would get a lecture how it’s not a separate rite, etc etc. But in real life, it’s just semantics. Even priests don’t worry about it.
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otjm
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Considering how many times I have heard derogatory comments about the Mass, yes; I have not heard anyone make derogatory comments about the Mass without using the term, or the initials of it. And considering that Pope Benedict made a clear point of using other terms - without giving an explanation, I suspect there was more to the use of EF/OF (or more than just the initials than meets the eye. I don’t think there is much that gets past Pope Benedict if he is looking in a given direction.
I am not offended by someone saying The Latin Mass; but given that both are promulgated in Latin from Rome, and that the OF is celebrated (although infrequently in time/place), it can be less descriptive. Both are in Latin, and one has permission to use the vernacular.
I am not offended by someone saying The Latin Mass; but given that both are promulgated in Latin from Rome, and that the OF is celebrated (although infrequently in time/place), it can be less descriptive. Both are in Latin, and one has permission to use the vernacular.
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FiveLinden
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It is the term used by the SSPX, who describe that form of the Mass as ‘evil’. For that reason it seems sensible to me that people who do not agree with them to use another term, whatever its origins. But I have no personal position on the matter, other than that I don’t regard any form of religious service in which freedom is not infringed or people harmed to be ‘evil’.
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Flopfoot
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I use OF/EF and NO/TLM interchangeably, I don’t think of either as being “charged language”
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angel12
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Technically, there’s nothing wrong with it. But it’s used a lot by people who want to insult the Ordinary Form.
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BartholomewB
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It’s only people who don’t like it who call it Novus Ordo.
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