The Use of the High Altar

[Tom_Baum]

No, I don’t think they are directly related. I will defer to a previous poster’s point.

You wrote this in response, at least I believe that you did, to what I wrote, “By the way, don’t you think that the Incarnation and the Ascension are tied together, so to speak?”

How can you possibly say that, there could have been no Ascension without the Incarnation.

Everything that God did Personally in Person, so to speak, for humanity and for God’s creation came about by God’s Incarnation.

There would have been no Ascension without Jesus’s “work” on the cross and Jesus would not have been able to do His “work” on the cross without the Incarnation.

Absolutely everything about God’s life as a human (including conception, birth,life, death, resurrection, ascension and anything else that I might have missed) is tied to God’s Incarnation, are you saying that it isn’t?

 

[CutlerB]

You wrote this in response, at least I believe that you did, to what I wrote, “By the way, don’t you think that the Incarnation and the Ascension are tied together, so to speak?”

How can you possibly say that, there could have been no Ascension without the Incarnation.

That is obvious to anyone. That’s why it’s not what I meant. Stop trying to get me to say something that you want me to say by twisting my words.

I meant by “directly related” that the Ascension is not necessitated by the Incarnation itself, at least from what I understand. I do not mean that Christ could somehow have ascended without firs being Incarnate.

 

[Tom_Baum]

That is obvious to anyone. That’s why it’s not what I meant. Stop trying to get me to say something that you want me to say by twisting my words.

I meant by “directly related” that the Ascension is not necessitated by the Incarnation itself, at least from what I understand. I do not mean that Christ could somehow have ascended without firs being Incarnate.

Even tho Jesus had to go thru everything that Jesus went thru concerning His Incarnation, I happen to believe that the Ascension was “known” to God, not only before it happened, but before creation since God Is Omniscient.

I also believe that Jesus gave up His Omni’s, so to speak, in the Incarnation and His earthly life unfolded before Him, since I believe that when it says that Jesus was like us in all ways except sin, I take it to be true and if Jesus “knew” everything about His life as He was living it then He was not even close to being “like us in all ways…”.

I believe that the Second Person of the Trinity “knew” the whiole Incarnation before the “fact” but, like I said, I believe part of the Incarnation was in Jesus, God-Incarnate, giving up, voluntarily, His Omni’s for His earthly life.

 

[CutlerB]

Even tho Jesus had to go thru everything that Jesus went thru concerning His Incarnation, I happen to believe that the Ascension was “known” to God, not only before it happened, but before creation since God Is Omniscient.

I also believe that Jesus gave up His Omni’s, so to speak, in the Incarnation and His earthly life unfolded before Him, since I believe that when it says that Jesus was like us in all ways except sin, I take it to be true and if Jesus “knew” everything about His life as He was living it then He was not even close to being “like us in all ways…”.

I believe that the Second Person of the Trinity “knew” the whiole Incarnation before the “fact” but, like I said, I believe part of the Incarnation was in Jesus, God-Incarnate, giving up, voluntarily, His Omni’s for His earthly life.

I’m not sure about that latter part.

 

[Tom_Baum]

I’m not sure about that latter part.

I am not saying that I “know” either but I am saying that I believe this since I believe that if Jesus “knew” everything in His life before it even happened that Jesus would have been nothing like us, He would have only “appeared” to be like us in every way except for sin and as far as “sin” goes, Jesus did take our sins upon Himself so that as far as “like us in every way except for sin” would have been except for His Own sin.

 

[zz912]

Even tho Jesus had to go thru everything that Jesus went thru concerning His Incarnation, I happen to believe that the Ascension was “known” to God, not only before it happened, but before creation since God Is Omniscient.

I also believe that Jesus gave up His Omni’s, so to speak, in the Incarnation and His earthly life unfolded before Him, since I believe that when it says that Jesus was like us in all ways except sin, I take it to be true and if Jesus “knew” everything about His life as He was living it then He was not even close to being “like us in all ways…”.

I believe that the Second Person of the Trinity “knew” the whiole Incarnation before the “fact” but, like I said, I believe part of the Incarnation was in Jesus, God-Incarnate, giving up, voluntarily, His Omni’s for His earthly life.

Jesus had two natures, fully human and fully divine. Jesus never laid aside His “omni’s”, otherwise He would not have been God at some point in time, which is impossible. But by His Incarnation and his human nature, that is how Jesus was born a baby, had to be taught how to speak, taught how to walk, taught in all ways that we are taught. His human nature was growing in knowledge and wisdom. His human nature is like us in all ways except sin.