The vast majority of unplanned pregnancies are the man's fault

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Recent discussion with friends brought up a point that unplanned pregnancies are the man’s fault. This is argument was restricted to men who specifically do not use condoms during sex. Yes it takes two to have sex, but one person is intentionally refusing to help the women guard against pregnancy by refusing to use birth control themselves and leaves it up to the women to do this. Just like in rock climbing, one person brings the correct necessary gear to climb, while the other just wants to show up and climb without any gear. Who’s being unsafe here in this practice?
Problems of not using a condom:
1: Men are directly indicating that they are willing to contract an STD or to transmit an STD. So they don’t indicate to care for their health or for hers all under the guise of a better physical sexual experience for them.
2: Men are directly indicating they are willing to risk impregnating her just for increasing their physical sexual experience.
3: Men pressure women to orgasm in them for the “better physical sexual experience” increasing the likelihood of impregnating her without a condom.
4: Men can walk away from the woman after sex and never know if they left her pregnant or not. Leaving her with the problem of solving this issue all to herself.
5: Women’s birth control requires a prescription from their doctor and a doctor’s visit and much more costly and require a daily dosage without missing a day’s dosage, while the access to condoms are readily available and easy to carry around and cost next to nothing.
6: Becoming pregnant forces a women to make a serious psychological choice that will impact her for the rest of her life, impact her career, impact her ability to financially plan, and impact her health while the guy just high-fives his buddies for a great night.
7: Clean up is easier with condom use

Birth control for women is not covered under medicare the way Viagra is covered for men. Forcing many women to pay for this out of their own pocket, after taking off work to attend their doctor.

Women’s orgasms are not a requirement for their bodies to become pregnant. Men do need to orgasm at the risk of pregnancy.

Women are most likely to become pregnant 3 days out of the month until menopause. Men can impregnate a women twice a day for the rest of their lives.

Women are the ones being raped by men, men are almost never raped by women. Her consent is not a requirement for her to become pregnant.

So based on these points, if people want to curtail abortions, men need to start telling other men to “man up” and “wrap up” or some other narrative to start socially shaming men that don’t practice safe sex.
 
Contraception is immoral. The reason is, sex has two intrinsic values: procreation and pleasure. Contraception violates the value of procreation, thus contraception becomes a fundamentally disordered act.

The problem is society thinks pregnancy is some disease or downside of sex. It’s literally the point of sex. Sex is literally a reaffirmation of our faith. If more people practiced chastity and waited, this wouldn’t be an issue anyway.

Read Theology of the Body.
 
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Wow. Talk about passing the buck. Lots of excuses to justify murder here. Look if you aren’t mature enough to take responsibility for sex and the natural result of having sex (having kids), then either keep it in your pants or close your legs. End of story. I am sick of people avoiding their responsibility, then trying to blame society for the consequences of stupid decisions they themselves have made.
 
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Damian said:
Recent discussion with friends brought up a point that unplanned pregnancies are the man’s fault. …
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Not when it is consensual, then there is co-responsibility.

The function of reproductive system is to cause pregnancy. The family is the environment in which to raise and educate the offspring that result from the use of the reproductive system. The stable family unit requires patience to know the future mate, therefore we have marriage before sexual relations. The solution to abortions is to not have them even when pregnancy is unplanned. The solution to a good environment in which to rear children is marriage.
 
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Are you somehow under the impression that a board full of Catholics is generally in favor of male promiscuity? This place is full of people who say that we should keep it in our pants outside of marriage and within marriage only have sex if we’re willing to help raise children.
 
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start socially shaming men that don’t practice safe sex.
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I’ve always thought that the women’s sexual revolution was a bigger victory for men. With the introduction of the pill, society has told men they are no longer responsible to prevent pregnancy and, if pregnancy occurs, they have an excuse to walk away.(She should have been on the pill if she didn’t want a baby)
 
Well… The Catholic Church teaches that sex outside of marriage is a mortal sin… so telling people to practice safe sex isn’t a very Catholic thing to do.

However, I agree that the vast majority of unplanned pregnancies are the man’s fault because if we men would treat women with the respect they deserve, then we would not be having sex with them until after marriage.

God Bless
 
How ridiculous if the woman consents to sex then they both hold responsibility for results of their actions.
 
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I agree that the vast majority of unplanned pregnancies are the man’s fault because if we men would treat women with the respect they deserve, then we would not be having sex with them until after marriage.
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That works both ways though.
 
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I agree that the vast majority of unplanned pregnancies are the man’s fault because if we men would treat women with the respect they deserve, then we would not be having sex with them until after marriage.
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That works both ways though.
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True. But we men are the ones that historically could pressure women into sex. Today, though, I think there are a growing number of women who pressure men too.
 
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We weren’t talking about the morality of the use of contraception, just that who was causing the most unwanted pregnancies. What ever reason the guy has for not using a condom, its still the same results that were brought up on the conversation we had. The friend I was talking to pointed out these issues that are squarely the results of not using a condom by men, regardless of their reasons for not wanting to use one.

Just like if you don’t use a seat belt for “moral” reasons. You can still indicate the actual real results of not using a seat belt as a result.
 
Not addressing that point. The topic is about people consenting to sex and the guy not owning up to his responsibility for consenting to that risky behavior. Like consenting to rock climb takes two people, one to climb, the other to hold the rope. But the guy is showing up with no gear at all to climb the wall while the woman is showing up with all the safety gear but he doesn’t want to climb with a rope.
 
Alternative view. If more women told men they need to wait for marriage, it would still be the norm. Men have self control, but statistically women are less driven by libido.
 
So not willing to discuss this issue that are exclusively the men’s responsibilities it seems. I’m pointing out that the “vast” majority of these unwanted pregnancies are from men, not that all are from men. The vast majorities of these unwanted pregnancies can be avoided by men if they would wear a condom, but they don’t and then society dumps on the women because they’re the only ones you can point out in a line up that had sex because they were left carrying the child while the guy walks away. I’m pointing out that part of the conversation that is intentionally removed from the conversation of how to curtail unwanted pregnancies. I would expect the people that are probirth would be behind shaming men and trying to legally hold them accountable for not taking care of the women they sleep with so that women feel like the best option available to them is abortion because they’ve been left alone to deal with this situation while the guy just walks away.
 
If the sex was consensual, both parties have an equal responsibility for any pregnancy that results. I have no reason to shame other men because some women are irresponsible enough to sleep with a man without some sort of commitment first.

Sex makes babies. If you do not want a baby, do not have sex.

If you want to curtail abortion, criminalizing it is the way to go.
 
I’m talking about consensual sex where only one partner is using birth control and the other one is refusing to. There for, the guy is intentionally taking the risk to become a parent and the women is not. But the guy still gets to walk away and she’s stuck being a parent when she was trying not to because her partner refused to take her health, social repercussions, and emotional well being into account at all. He just sticked it and quit it leaving her with all the repercussions that followed. There should be something in the discussion that points this out to men but its completely removed from the discussion of unwanted pregnancies and abortion discussion it seems.
 
Any statistics on how often this happens or are you just concern trolling?
 
No I’m interested in anyone’s (name removed by moderator)ut on this regardless of their religious affiliation. Because I’m talking about people that actually have sex not under the restrictions of the catholic tradition. I’m exclusively talking about men that engage in unprotected sex and get no social push back for how they endanger their partner’s psychology, biology, economic status, social status and the life of the child just to have a better sexual experience.
Also, marriage is irrelevant to unwanted pregnancies. You can still have these in a marriage as well.
 
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You’re on a Catholic forum, so people here are mostly going to respond from a Catholic worldview. If you want a diversity of opinions from all over the board, this isn’t the place for you.

We don’t believe that fornication is ok as long as you’re not Catholic, or any other Christian denomination. It’s wrong regardless. And the Catholic Church, and most churches that make an honest effort to abide by Christian teaching, try to evangelize and convince non-Christians of this position.

Re-read my original response. Of course unplanned pregnancies can happen in marriage. I said you shouldn’t have sex until you’re willing to have kids, not until you want to have kids.

This forum is full of people who agree that rampant fornication is harmful to women (and men).
 
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