The vast majority of unplanned pregnancies are the man's fault

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What’s your thought on the fact that we spend all this research on a pill for women, messing up their hormones to all men to have unprotected sex, but we still don’t have this for men? We did spend a lot of time researching Viagra so that men can keep having sex though. Recently we just came close to a pill for men, but it was taken off of testing due to the bad hormone responses that it had on men, but we were willing to push ahead for women it seems. So kinda feels like we are wanting to put women through this but not men it seems.
 
Damian said:
No I’m interested in anyone’s (name removed by moderator)ut on this regardless of their religious affiliation. Because I’m talking about people that actually have sex not under the restrictions of the catholic tradition. I’m exclusively talking about men that engage in unprotected sex and get no social push back for how they endanger their partner’s psychology, biology, economic status, social status and the life of the child just to have a better sexual experience.
Also, marriage is irrelevant to unwanted pregnancies. You can still have these in a marriage as well.
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Catholics believe birth control a second immoral act on top of the premarital sex. Unplanned pregnancy in marriage tends to be less problematic.
 
SusanneT said:
How ridiculous if the woman consents to sex then they both hold responsibility for results of their actions
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Agree, but who holds more responsibility for the results? The women who used birth control or the man that didn’t? One person is clearly taking action to not become a parent and the other could careless because they can just walk away from creating the situation. If they both used birth control, then there is an equal amount of responsibility to both of them, but not if one is clearly not even going to try.
 
How many pregnancies do you think arise from sex in which the woman is using birth control and the man isn’t?
 
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SusanneT:
How ridiculous if the woman consents to sex then they both hold responsibility for results of their actions
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Agree, but who holds more responsibility for the results? The women who used birth control or the man that didn’t? One person is clearly taking action to not become a parent and the other could careless because they can just walk away from creating the situation. If they both used birth control, then there is an equal amount of responsibility to both of them, but not if one is clearly not even going to try.
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Hey, she picked him and consented anyway.
 
Yeah, the argument in the OP seems like nothing more than Sophistic hair-splitting to try to discredit the pro-life movement.
 
phil19034 said:
Today, though, I think there are a growing number of women who pressure men too.
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Women have less of a stigma for pursuing a sexual relationship it seems, but men are still not being safe for themselves or her. The avoidance of pregnancy is still all on her to take care of while the guy still doesn’t have to be safe. How messed up is that that we are not teaching safe sex to our boys is a sign of respect to the woman. That he should be looking out for her health, social devastation, emotional health, career, and the life of a child.
 
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Today, though, I think there are a growing number of women who pressure men too.
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Women have less of a stigma for pursuing a sexual relationship it seems, but men are still not being safe for themselves or her. The avoidance of pregnancy is still all on her to take care of while the guy still doesn’t have to be safe. How messed up is that that we are not teaching safe sex to our boys is a sign of respect to the woman. That he should be looking out for her health, social devastation, emotional health, career, and the life of a child.
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Well, if you’re trying to get folks to say that they think a man should be invested in a woman’s health, social welfare, emotional health, career, and childrearing before having unprotected sex with her…welcome to Christian sexual morality. We call the formalization of that investment “marriage,” and are major proponents of it!
 
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If a woman chooses to have sex and God chooses to bless her womb then it is not a matter of fault.

Fornication is a sin and so is contraception.

Just wait for marriage as God asks.
 
“Safe sex” is not respectful. Being willing to wait until you would be able to be a parent is.
 
WingsOfEagles said:
Men have self control, but statistically women are less driven by libido.
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Yes but more women are driven by being in a relationship. We teach women to be broken if they don’t have someone. So if she knows that the guy will leave her because of this since there are women willing to sleep with him as part of the relationship, the women gives in to sex to keep him around.
 
This sounds like agenda posting to me (which is against forum rules, mind you).
 
Damian said:
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WingsOfEagles:
Men have self control, but statistically women are less driven by libido.
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Yes but more women are driven by being in a relationship. We teach women to be broken if they don’t have someone. So if she knows that the guy will leave her because of this since there are women willing to sleep with him as part of the relationship, the women gives in to sex to keep him around.
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Yup, still on her. I’m a woman BTW.
 
WingsOfEagles said:
“Safe sex” is not respectful.
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It is for the cultures that don’t believe in only sex after marriage which seems to be the predominate groups of people that have unwanted pregnancies, which is what I’m talking about. You can still be married and have an unwanted pregnancy as well, just the woman is able to legally hold the guy accountable now to the situation.
 
It’s never respectful. Those groups just don’t realize how misguided they are.
 
Sounds like freedom of speech issue. No one invited you here and this is a civil discussion and you’re already threatening the discussion by shutting it down. Stop playing into the stereotypical identity that people believe religion is tied to oppression of speech. This is an adult conversation, so if you can’t be an adult about it, leave until you can.
 
Damian said:
we spend all this research on a pill for women, messing up their hormones
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I’d have to research it, but I believe the discovery of the pills contraceptive ability happened by accident. I agree, the manipulation of female hormones to avoid pregnancy is a horrible thing.
 
Okay, but I’m talking about the current problem as it stands in the society we live in. I’m not saying this problem is specifically a catholic one, just a societal one. That fathers are not teaching their sons how to care for the women in their lives properly.
 
Damian said:
Birth control for women is not covered under medicare the way Viagra is covered for men.
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All morality aside, there are some issues here:

Let’s see, one is eligible for Medicare at age 65. Not many 65 year old women are fertile. Medicare is also there for seriously ill, disabled people under 65. They need to purchase a supplemental RX coverage plan based on their prescription RXs, so, the occasional fertile woman can get her ABC from her RX drug coverage.

Also, RX birth control is on the $4 WalMart list, so, it really is not a financial burden for most people. County Health Clinics give BC away to those who cannot afford $4 per month.
 
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