The Vatican II changes in Liturgy

[ProVobis]

Because the catechism, like the Baltimore Catechism, was written in the vernacular.

For the record, I believe the Trent Catechism was written in Latin, the Baltimore Catechism was written for English speaking countries and the new Catechism was written in French and translated for most vernaculars.

 

[GiftofMercy]

Ditto. Every person I know who has experienced both forms all prefer the Latin Mass.

I prefer both and attend both every Sunday. They both have their positives and negatives.

 

[gracepoole]

My diocese has han an approved EF for a little over 25 years, with an average attendance of about 150.

The average is about double that, actually. Still small but bigger than 150.

 

[CilladeRoma]

Last published bulletin says 172 for the week of 9/29 And 186 for the OF at 9:30. That has been the typical attendance. I believe the Church seats close to 800

 

[JimG]

The one piece of the puzzle that, in my humble opinion, was not a step forward, was removal of the Altar rails.

The beautiful old Gothic Cathedral church in which I was raised, eliminated its marble altar rail in the 1960’s. But my new parish in a different city built a new church in the 1970’s with altar rails. It was later remodeled, but the altar rails remain.

 

[Dovekin]

I believe Pope Pius XII did allow Rosary during Mass in Mediator Dei and I do not believe it was ever revoked (correct me if I am wrong, I would certainly like to know if that is the case).

Pastors of souls must therefore realize that, when the liturgy is celebrated, something more is required than the mere observation of the laws governing valid and licit celebration; it is their duty also to ensure that the faithful take part fully aware of what they are doing, actively engaged in the rite, and enriched by its effects.
Sacrosanctum Concilium 11

I do not know if this overturns allowing the Rosary during Mass, but it does set a goal of all being “fully aware…actively engaged… and enriched…” It may be allowed, but it is not best practice. If there is anything that comes out of Sacrosanctum Concilium, it is the imperative of “full conscious and active participation.”

I believe I was the one who introduced the recitation of the rosary, as one sign of the busyness I remember about the liturgy in the early ‘60s. It was never a statement about liturgical abuse, but about the lack of attention to the central action. I am not sure how there can be much reverence if there is no attention, so I would say there is more reverence in the OF if people are praying the Rosary at the EF.

 

[OrbisNonSufficit]

I would say there is more reverence in the OF if people are praying the Rosary at the EF.

That is actually extremely good point. Though, one may also say that if you take Mass as Sacrifice and pray Rosary, you are praying with Blessed Mother under the Cross. I am no expert on this, as I have never prayed Rosary during Mass (and as a matter of fact, I do struggle with praying Rosary even outside it), but I think that argument was used in this thread and it did sound logical.

Also, your quotation of Sacrosanctum Concilium seems to prove that right now, praying Rosary during Mass is in most situations not necessary and hence not permitted, as OF should remove most problems anyone would have with participating in Liturgy actively.

 

[MagdalenaRita]

Yes, catechism books weren’t widespread until the invention of the printing press (neither were Bibles). That said, there have been catechism books even in the early Church, the most famous one being the Didache

How many people would have had access to the Didache, not very many because even with the printing press the cost would have been more expensive than what the average person could afford. As time, went on yes, catechisms became more popular as the cost of books decreased…

 

[MagdalenaRita]

Every single Sunday,… have long drawn out signs of peace (lots of peace signs flashing too),

This one is funny because every time someone flashes the “peace sign”, I can’t help but think Winston Churchhill, Aleister Crowley, hippies, Richard Nixon, and the peace the world gives and I just want to roll my eyes at them but I have not, yet anyway.

The peace sign has nothing to do with the peace of Christ.

 

[StValentineFriend]

And finally for the third option, whenever I have asked people have told me “it was same, just Priest was turned from the people and we responded in Latin. In schools, they taught us what responses meant and that was it.” I never heard any “I miss the Mass” and neither have I heard any “I hated that Mass”. People simply believed and trusted in Mother Church as much as those people do now.

I’m sure there were myriad of responses people had to the changes- from joy to sorrow to apathy and everything between. For whatever reason, this is the only feedback I have received. Interestingly I have never asked or brought it up. It’s only been people bringing up the topic to me. I don’t know…

 

[Margaret_Ann]

One of my cousins was a church organist. She would play at various churches/functions and thoroughly enjoyed it.