The Visitation How did Mary get to see Elizabeth?

[Gorgias]

He wouldn’t ask her who told her?

Good question. If she said “I’m going to go visit my pregnant relative”, I’m not sure that the response would have been “oh yeah? Who told you she is pregnant?!?” Nevertheless, we just don’t know!

When your wife is the mother of salvation, you tend to trust that anything she asks is important!

I think you’re presuming a certain sequence of events, aren’t you? Namely, that Joseph knew about the pregnancy prior to Mary’s departure for the hill country (such that he already knew her to be the mother of a very special child).

I’m not sure that I’d say that this matches the description in the Gospels. The passage you quoted says “before they came together, [Mary] was found to be pregnant through the Holy Spirit”. Unless the implication was ‘morning sickness’, folks wouldn’t have “found [Mary] to be pregnant” until she began to show… right?

So, this wouldn’t happen immediately. However, if she first went to visit Elizabeth, and stayed three months, and then returned… well, it would seem that at this point, they would have “found her to be pregnant”, no?

So… if this is the case, then Joseph wouldn’t have discovered Mary’s pregnancy until after the Visitation.

And it may not even be private revelation; it could simply be speculation.

Actually, @Bluebright said that this info came from Mary of Agreda or Anne Catherine Emmerich, and that they “saw it.” So… ‘private revelation’.

 

[Tis_Bearself]

We don’t know for sure what Mary said to Joseph, or if there were other factors such as her being close to Elizabeth, or Joseph having his dream where the angel reassured him.

It’s also possible that Joseph didn’t accompany Mary and that she instead joined a caravan and/or was accompanied by some other male relative of hers, since she wasn’t yet living in Joseph’s home. Although I myself tend to think Joseph would have accompanied her, we don’t know this for sure.

But in any event, as someone else said, an extended family visit wasn’t unusual, so even if Mary had simply said she wanted to visit her cousin for a few months, without more explanation, it would have been a reasonable request.

 

[otjm]

Actually, @Bluebright said that this info came from Mary of Agreda or Anne Catherine Emmerich, and that they “saw it.” So… ‘private revelation’.

Thanks - I picked that up later. I tend to not pay much attention to either individual, and don’t speculate as to right, wrong or indifferent on the matter.

 

[Bluebright]

If you read these books I mentioned you’ll learn of Joseph’s humility and see that Mary need not have said anything more than a suggestion of wanting to go to see Elizabeth and Joseph would not have even asked why or when or where he would simply have begun getting ready to go. Mary likewise in humility would not have asked him to take her, she just would have known that he would want to care for her and allowed him to do so. I will try find the link of this passage for you and post it so you can see a little of Mary’s humility and that if Joseph. Think even of modern saints, they are silent and accept Gods will and don’t question things as we do.

Here’s the chapter from St Mary of Agreda.

The Visitation ~ Mystical City of God by Mary of Agreda – Sensus Fidelium

 

[Tis_Bearself]

I note that Mary of Agreda is neither a saint nor a blessed.

Her correct title as of now is Venerable Mary of Agreda; she has not progressed beyond the Venerable stage of her canonization process. Her cause is still active from what I have read, so it’s possible she may be beatified in the future.

Her private revelations are okay for Catholics to read, but they are not officially approved by the Church, which as I understand it had some doctrinal issues with them (not the particular part in question but some other stuff). Nor are they approved due to her being beatified or canonized, since she’s still just a Venerable. Technically, they constitute unapproved private revelations that shouldn’t be discussed on CAF, but since the forum is in its last days I won’t be flagging.

 

[Bluebright]

Sorry my mistake, I didn’t mean to upset you.

 

[Tis_Bearself]

If you mean me, I’m not upset. I’m just giving correct information as I frequently do.

I’m not sure why you would think I was upset.

It’s questionable whether “The Mystical City of God” is permitted to be discussed on this forum under the forum TOS given that it’s unapproved private revelation, but since we are days from the end of the forum, I am not flagging for that, just noting its status so people will be aware.