The Voter's Burden

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If a just wage is one that allows an adult to raise a family and provide security for its future, then it follows that a wage which does not allow that is unjust.
The conclusion may be correct but the premise is wrong: a just wage has nothing whatever to do with how badly an individual needs the money but with whether the employee and employer both freely agree to the amount of compensation. If two people do exactly the same work should they be paid different amounts? Would that be just? That situation would be inevitable if wages were based not on the work to be done but on the need of the worker. Suppose a high school student and man with a wife and two children apply for a job at McDonalds - should the man be paid twice as much as the student for the same job? Who do you think the manager would be more likely to hire? The result of increasing the minimum wage is to increase the pay of some and to eliminate the jobs of others.
The bottom line is that there are some people who cannot get a job that pays more than minimum wage for one or a variety of reasons, and if a single human being is in that situation, the minimum wage is unjust.
You look at this problem as if it were a coin with only one side. Where is the money to come from with which the business owner pays his employees? Why does it seem that practically everything we purchase these days is made in China? Obviously Chinese labor is cheaper than American labor. It might be ten times as expensive to build widgets in the US than in China - which is why Chinese widget makers have jobs and US widget makers are out of business.

Look at the jobs that are being lost to technology as the costs of labor continue to rise, job losses that will accelerate with increases in the minimum wage. This is so obvious to Vern that he believes it is immoral to ignore this fact and raise the minimum wage. He and I differe here only in that I don’t hold it to be immoral to be irrational.

Ender
 
In a way I resent having my vote held hostage by people with whom I only agree on a single issue. I think the GOP looks at us pro-life voters the way the Dems look at African-Americans, “Where else are they going to go?” [insert cynical chuckle].
VERY well said. I despise both parties right now.
 
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DanteAlighieri:
…shall we discuss candidates whose platforms are in line with Catholic teaching…
On second thought, let’s not. 😛

Shortly, Catholic Answers Forums will promulgate a rule prohibiting discussion of specific candidates. Our tax exempt status might be jeopardized if we allow such discussions, and our apostolate simply couldn’t handle that.

It’s not a rule yet, but it will be. No sense in heading that direction when we know it will be a dead end.

Thank you in advance for your cooperation and understanding.

Mane Nobiscum Domine,
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Shortly, Catholic Answers Forums will promulgate a rule prohibiting discussion of specific candidates.
Understanding your problem, it should not be a violation of that rule to at least discuss what constitute “Catholic” positions. Beyond that, when you say that specific candidates cannot be discussed I hope you mean only that we cannot offer opinions on specific candidates, not that we cannot even mention their stated positions on different issues.

From my perspective, your restriction is not that constraining: I think the bigger problem on this thread is identifying the issues on which the Church has a position.

Ender
 
If it goes the wrong way, I’ll edit the posts to remove references to specific candidates and provide clarifying instructions.

Please feel free to continue the discussion.

Mane Nobiscum Domine,
Ferdinand Mary
 
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