The Wailing Wall Built By King Herod

[churchcamefirst]

It is my belief that the Wall in Jerusalem was in fact built by King Herod. Or I should say the Temple. To me King Herod was a brutal man who wanted Jesus dead along with the other High Priests of that day.
Why is it then that the “Wall” should be so holy as Herod was a mad man? I could not pray at the sight built by a man who rejected Christ. I realize this is a holy place for all Jews remembering the Romans who destroyed it, but I can’t figure out why? Maybe someone here can enlighten me about this “Wall”.

 

[scipio337]

Because it is the last remnant of the Second Temple. Politics aside, there are several points in Rome that were built by madmen or despots.

 

[churchcamefirst]

So Herod can kill his children, yet build a house of God?? Double whammy there…

 

[scipio337]

So Herod can kill his children, yet build a house of God?? Double whammy there…

Actually, Gd built the house, with Solomon and David’s help. Herod just did some renovations. The reverence is for Gd, whose dwelling place was supposed to be the Temple and the Holiest of Holies, not the wall itself.

Some of our religious sites in Rome were built by some unsavory characters, too. It doesn’t take away from their holiness.

 

[reen12]

It is my belief that the Wall in Jerusalem was in fact built by King Herod. Or I should say the Temple. To me King Herod was a brutal man who wanted Jesus dead along with the other High Priests of that day.
Why is it then that the “Wall” should be so holy as Herod was a mad man? I could not pray at the sight built by a man who rejected Christ. I realize this is a holy place for all Jews remembering the Romans who destroyed it, but I can’t figure out why? Maybe someone here can enlighten me about this “Wall”.

I found post # 100, in the following thread, to be of help,
in increasing my understanding, in terms of the wall.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=267822%between%

reen12

 

[ralphinal]

Well, it does show that God can even use those that oppose him to do great things for others. It does show how God can make a bad into a good.

 

[reen12]

It is my belief that the Wall in Jerusalem was in fact built by King Herod. Or I should say the Temple. To me King Herod was a brutal man who wanted Jesus dead along with the other High Priests of that day.
Why is it then that the “Wall” should be so holy as Herod was a mad man? I could not pray at the sight built by a man who rejected Christ. I realize this is a holy place for all Jews remembering the Romans who destroyed it, but I can’t figure out why? Maybe someone here can enlighten me about this “Wall”.

Hello, churchcamefirst,

I don’t think that Herod spent much time thinking about God.
[Herod probably spent much time thinking about himself.]

The second Temple was built hundreds of years before Herod.
God had given minute details, in terms of how His Temple was to be constructed.

commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Jerusalem_second_temple.jpg

The Romans destroyed this second Temple in 70 C.E. [70 A.D.]

The stones still standing - are not from the second Temple, itself.
They formed part of a retaining wall that supported the
enlarged plateau that Herod had built. Herod had nothing to do
with the building of the second Temple.

Pope John Paul II, as he visited the Western Wall:

sacredheart.edu/images/full/9505.jpg

A view of the Western Wall may be found at this link:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Israel-Western_Wall.jpg

reen12 :tiphat:

 

[Joe_Kelley]

As I recall Herod wanted to build a new Temple. However that would have conflicted with the teaching that the Third Temple would come with the Messiah. Therefore he rebuilt the Temple, bit by bit, so that it remained the second Temple.

I think that the Wailing Wall is a part of the foundation of the Second Temple, That may not have been included in Herod’s renovation.

Just my speculation. I have little knowledge in this area.

 

[churchcamefirst]

The Wailing Wall WAS in fact built by King Herod in the first century. My question is (again),
**The wall built by King Herod is worshipped by Jews everywhere, why? This man wanted Jesus dead, why would anyone want to pray to something built by a mad man? **I need a clean cut answer and I am not getting one.

 

[scipio337]

The Wailing Wall WAS in fact built by King Herod in the first century. My question is (again),
**The wall built by King Herod is worshipped by Jews everywhere, why? This man wanted Jesus dead, why would anyone want to pray to something built by a mad man? **I need a clean cut answer and I am not getting one.

It has been, several times over. For some reason, you just don’t like the answer.

 

[churchcamefirst]

I appreciate the answers but no one is explaining King Herod’s murderous ways which mingle with this so called “holy wall”.
His children were murdered behind this wall…just don’t get it…it must be me.

 

[Kaninchen]

The Wailing Wall WAS in fact built by King Herod in the first century. My question is (again),
**The wall built by King Herod is worshipped by Jews everywhere, why? This man wanted Jesus dead, why would anyone want to pray to something built by a mad man? **I need a clean cut answer and I am not getting one.

Perhaps you should ask a clean cut question?

1. Jews don’t worship the Wall, anymore than Catholics worship St Peter’s in Rome, we pray at the Wall.
2. You’re confusing your Herods. The ‘Wall’ Herod was Herod ‘The Great’ (73 BC – 4 BC), the Herod that Christians believe wanted Jesus dead was Herod Antipas who ruled after the death of Herod ‘The Great’.

 

[scipio337]

I appreciate the answers but no one is explaining King Herod’s murderous ways which mingle with this so called “holy wall”.
His children were murdered behind this wall…just don’t get it…it must be me.

From what I’ve read, Jews aren’t that crazy about Herod…either. The wall has no signifigance to Herod, it is what it represents to Judaism.

In the eyes of the pious Jew Herod’s government was not better than that of Antiochus Epiphanes.

jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=630&letter=H&search=herod%20i

jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=123&letter=T&search=herod%20i

 

[churchcamefirst]

Herod Antipas **was the son of the Jewish King Herod the Great **(before 20 B.C., after A.D. 39).
Although Herod Antipas was responsible for John the Baptist’s death and of Jesus Christ, it was still the son of Herod the Great. Herod the Great died around 4 B.C.
Pilate handed Jesus over to Antipas who handed him back to Pilate.
Fact of the matter is the Wall was there when the father and son ruled over Judea. This is my whole point. Why pray to a wall built and lived in by Herod the Great as handed down to his son?
What is the significance of this wall lived in by murderers?

 

[Kaninchen]

Herod Antipas **was the son of the Jewish King Herod the Great **(before 20 B.C., after A.D. 39).
Although Herod Antipas was responsible for John the Baptist’s death and of Jesus Christ, it was still the son of Herod the Great. Herod the Great died around 4 B.C.
Pilate handed Jesus over to Antipas who handed him back to Pilate.
Fact of the matter is the Wall was there when the father and son ruled over Judea. This is my whole point. Why pray to a wall built and lived in by Herod the Great as handed down to his son?
What is the significance of this wall lived in by murderers?

1. Why on earth should we care about some story in somebody else’s scriptures? Do you care about stories in the Qur’an or Book of Mormon?
2. It’s the Temple Wall.

 

[Isa_Almisry]

1. Why on earth should we care about some story in somebody else’s scriptures? Do you care about stories in the Qur’an or Book of Mormon?

We’ve talked about this before. Here you have the added problem that what is related here is found in plenty of Jewish sources.

1. It’s the Temple Wall.

Actually, no it’s not. It’s the enclosure.

Btw, Herod the Great tried to kill Jesus at birth, hence the Masacre of the Innocents of Bethlehem.

 

[churchcamefirst]

1. Why on earth should we care about some story in somebody else’s scriptures? Do you care about stories in the Qur’an or Book of Mormon?
2. It’s the Temple Wall.

Obviously you refer to Jesus Christ and the New Testament.
Murder is still murder. Why pray to a wall that is enveloped with murder?

 

[Kaninchen]

Obviously you refer to Jesus Christ and the New Testament.
Murder is still murder. Why pray to a wall that is enveloped with murder?

Why do you assume that we accept any of the NT story?

Explain why the wall is ‘enveloped with murder’?

 

[churchcamefirst]

Why do you assume that we accept any of the NT story?

Explain why the wall is ‘enveloped with murder’?

Because Herod killed his kids there, God knows how many others were killed there, and he killed John the Baptist and Jesus Christ.
No matter what kind of Herod lived there, it was done.

 

[ralphinal]

I am confused.

Herod killed people near the Temple? I thought that the Holy Innocents were killed in Bethlehem. John the Baptist was killed wherever Herod’s prison was. Jesus was outside of town.

I do not think that anyone could have been killed near the Temple without there being some issues with the religious leaders.

Help me out.