The Way In Which Mass is Celebrated DOES Make a Difference!

[Solomonson]

So let me get this straight. You complain about the liturgy, don’t want to help, and call those that are at least trying in-breds.

Let me get this straight. You imply I don’t want to help after I posted “If I attended a parish with a pastor like the one that celebrated the Mass so reverently and beautifully, I would do all that I could to help. Heck, I’d get involved at just about any parish in a big way as long as the priest was sincere, fair and honestly looking to improve things” which you quoted? Is that correct?

You call people playing nasty political games (particularly among themselves) for years at a cost of liturgical quality, “trying” is that correct? Did I miss anything?

You do not think your priest is sincere. Did I miss anything? Your inability to receive from the liturgy at your parish what you need might not be the liturgy.

I think these people we speak of long preexist the pastor at my parish. Most preexist the last three pastors. I think truly cleaning them out and building a team that treated one another well, along with the rest of the parish and worked to make the celebration of the Mass the best it could be would be a formidable task. One requiring a great deal of courage and resolve. One that would be further complicated by a number of parish benefactors and their own politics.

It doesn’t matter if I believe my pastor is “sincere” (or fair or honestly looking to improve things – which you did miss) or not. While your little gig is noted, I would say that no, it’s not the liturgy, it’s the people immediately surrounding it who denigrate its celebration.

I would add that mindsets like the one you have displayed keep a great many parishes from improving in this area.

 

[Solomonson]

If that were in my parish, such a person would not be invited to be part of our parish effort, if I knew that was their mind…and if they were already involved and these attitudes became manifest, they would be informed by me, as their parish priest, that their volunteer service was terminated.

If you were the pastor of my parish and it remained in the same liturgical condition it does today, you wouldn’t even know my name, despite my presence at Mass each Sunday. I’d make certain of that – as would a huge number of others.

It’s a great deal easier to say than actually do. Acta non verba.

 

[Solomonson]

Well, it is called “plainchant”

And it beats the daylights out of “no chant” . . .

BTW, as of the last publication of the GIRM, chanting is the norm for the RC mass, and recitation the exception.

The problems is that there are very few RC priests currently trained in it. My priest has politely suggested to a couple that they cease the “chanting” that they were attempting

He first drifted into chant in the Anaphora, err, Eucharistic Prayer, at an RC mass without realizing it–and got several very positive comments, and eventually did it as his norm when he does these.

AMDG

hawk

Maybe the Latin Rite should adopt “plainchant?” That way priests, deacons and lectors could all be trained in an hour or so?

It certainly doesn’t sound as beautiful or striking as Gregorian Chant but it would certainly be far easier to implement.

 

[Don_Ruggero]

If you were the pastor of my parish and it remained in the same liturgical condition it does today, you wouldn’t even know my name, despite my presence at Mass each Sunday. I’d make certain of that – as would a huge number of others.

It’s a great deal easier to say than actually do. Acta non verba.

I think you have made what is in fact the actual situation abundantly clear.

 

[Solomonson]

I think you have made what is in fact the actual situation abundantly clear.

How wonderfully charitable. You just tipped your own hand as well…