The way of salvation, and assurance thereof

[adamhovey1988]

Re: your question? No

To expand on that answer

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   *]Salvation comes from Jesus through His Catholic Church He established #34
   *] . If one really believes in Jesus and loves Him, they do whatever He says to do. Meaning once they know this, they will become Catholic in the Catholic Church **846 **They can’t do things their way as opposed to the way He says to live, otherwise that Jesus becomes a Jesus of their own making.
   *] Re: one’s ignorance of the facts that they need to know. If one is truly innocently ignorant of facts they need to know , THEN God has mercy on them, providing they really are innocent of needed knowledge that they don’t have…
   *]Ignorance in this area, isn’t presumed to be innocent however ( 1791 ) therefore one’s own fault…Nor is ignorance presumed to be Invincible ignorance #**14 **, So absent innocent ignorance, one is culpable for the state they are in
   
   *]A person who is NOT Catholic, therefore not in the Church Jesus established, NOT taking advantage of all the means Jesus put in place Himself for our salvation, then can’t presume they are in a state of grace. That is an assumption they can’t make of themselves. So for THEM there is no 100% guarantee of their salvation thus are not assured of heaven.
   
   people “can” be saved who are NOT Catholic, but “can” doesn’t automatically translate to “will”.

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   If I recall correctly, it’s something like this; we are bound by the sacraments, God is not.

 

[steve_b]

If I recall correctly, it’s something like this; we are bound by the sacraments, God is not.

That works for those who through no fault of their own have no clue what they are doing. However, given how easy and freely information is to gain today, it’s not so easy to remain clueless ( [1791 (Catechism of the Catholic Church - Paragraph # 1791) ). Or to qualify for invincible ignorance #[**14 ** (http://forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=13035556&postcount=14)

Therefore, once someone “knows” what is required of them to know, and they don’t do what’s required of them, **then **they are no longer faultless, and these consequences happen. [846 (Catechism of the Catholic Church - Paragraph # 846)

Where does scripture and tradition teach that, mentioned in the CCC?

1. Scripture reference:

• Paul condemned [διχοστασίας (http://bibleapps.com/greek/1370.htm) dichostasia = division / dissension / schism / factions /sedition / sects, from the Church in the following references. Romans 16:17-20 , Galatians 5:19-21 , and the consequences, for those sins, if one dies in them, (division from the Church being one of those sins), " they who do such things shall not obtain the kingdom of God" (Gal 5:21) i.e. they go to hell. And where did Paul get that teaching from ? It was the Holy Spirit. And who did the HS get that from? It was Jesus John 16:12-15
• Therefore, no one can say the HS inspired all the division we see today in Christianity. Here is what Jesus commands John 17:20-23 . And There is no expiration date to that

2. Tradition reference:,

• Ignatius writes: schismatics won’t be going to heaven Epistle to the Philadelphians (ch 3)

Those references are where the phrase “outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation”, comes from

and Ignatius was a disciple of St John the apostle.