The way of the Blood

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jilly4ski said:
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Faith doesn’t make a sick person better. 🤷
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Wow, really?

[BIBLEDRB]Mark 5:34[/BIBLEDRB]

[BIBLEDRB]Mark 10:52[/BIBLEDRB]
jilly4ski said:
Faith doesn’t change the fact that a celiac will get sick from the wheat present in the host, or an alcoholic from experiencing cravings from the alcohol present in the wine. So likewise faith will not prevent a virus or bacteria from moving to one sick person to another from the method of receiving communion.
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[BIBLEDRB]Luke 9:41[/BIBLEDRB]
 
jilly4ski said:
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Faith doesn’t make a sick person better. 🤷 Faith doesn’t change the fact that a celiac will get sick from the wheat present in the host, or an alcoholic from experiencing cravings from the alcohol present in the wine. So likewise faith will not prevent a virus or bacteria from moving to one sick person to another from the method of receiving communion.
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The Bible I read has many instances of people being healed by Christ who said, “Go and sin no more. You faith has made you well.”

There are people on these forums, perhaps even in this thread, who have been healed from Lymphomas and other diseases through their faith and the sacraments, especially the sacrament of annointing of the sick.

Faith in God healed me of addiction.

I’m not saying that an alcoholic should recieve from the chalice or that a celiac shouldn’t ask for a gluten free host. We shouldn’t tempt God. But the religion I believe in has many, many recorded instances of people being made well through their faith.

-Tim-
 
constantconvert said:
By this definition, I don’t believe that a virus can be transmitted by the bread or wine. God does not allow sin, disease, or any other attribute of our fallen world to coexist with Himself-- it’s why Mary had to be sinless in order to carry Jesus in her womb.

A pall covers the chalice to guard against spills.
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Your logic is flawed. Consecrated hosts, which are being dissolved in water have been known to grow bacteria, but according to you this should be impossible. The mold, bacteria or virus or other contamination (insects) does not co-exist within God. But is rather existing at the same time, next to God. (It is not apart of God, it is separate).

And no, a pall will not prevent spills. A priest in a mission parish a have been to uses it, because the church is in the country (big bugs and lots of them) and the church was old with no air conditioning.
 
Brendan said:
Constatine, it is because of Faith that we know that Eucharist can transmit contagens.

If there was a difference, than the accidental properties of bread and wine would, by defintion, be missing.

A scientist, then, could distinguish between wine that is unconsecrated, and the consecrated Eucharist, in that that germs that could normally live or be transmitted by wine would no longer do so.

The act of Faith that is reception of the the Eucharist, would be removed. Christ chose that the elements of wine and bread be transformed into His Body and Blood, but with the externals of bread and wine remaining. If what you say is true, Christ left a loop-hole in that plan, that an accidental property ( the abiity to transmit infection) changes along with the Substance.

But we know that is not true.

Likewise, it would be imprudent of us to claim that when other accidental propertiest, such as gluten, affect a celiac adversly, that it only did so because they lacked Faith.
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Christ left a loophope. An infinite, perfect, all-knowing God left a loophole. Okay, if this is what you want to believe in.
 
ConstantineTG said:
Christ left a loophope. An infinite, perfect, all-knowing God left a loophole. Okay, if this is what you want to believe in.
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So you deny that it has actually happened? How do explain this, where mold is growing on a consecrated host?
Or this Hep A scare? (I don’t know if this is the one I remember or not, the one I remember the priest got sick, but I may be mistaken).

There is no reason to think that if I have a cold and wipe my snot on a consecrated host and then you receive it, that you could not get my cold. Why is it any different for microscopic bacteria and germs that might get on either the species or the vessels?
 
jilly4ski said:
So you deny that it has actually happened? How do explain this, where mold is growing on a consecrated host?
Or this Hep A scare? (I don’t know if this is the one I remember or not, the one I remember the priest got sick, but I may be mistaken).

There is no reason to think that if I have a cold and wipe my snot on a consecrated host and then you receive it, that you could not get my cold. Why is it any different for microscopic bacteria and germs that might get on either the species or the vessels?
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If you want to concentrate on things like that rather than things like this… therealpresence.org/eucharst/mir/a3.html
 
jilly4ski said:
Who says I want to concentrate on these things. I am merely pointing out that a correct understanding of the Eucharist allows for things like this to happen as well as wonderful miracles.
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To trivialize the Eucharist is not the correct understanding of it.
 
jilly4ski said:
:rolleyes: Our senses perceive there to be gluten, wheat, and alcohol to be present, just so our sense would perceive any germs to be present and we would summarily get sick from them.

Contamination happens. Which as Digitonomy mentioned a pall is used over the chalice to prevent flies and spiders, or why old hosts can mold, etc.
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Awesome explanations. Just last week in the apologetic forum they said recovering alcoholics should not drink the wine due to a chance of stirring up cravings.
 
jilly4ski said:
So you deny that it has actually happened? How do explain this, where mold is growing on a consecrated host?
Or this Hep A scare? (I don’t know if this is the one I remember or not, the one I remember the priest got sick, but I may be mistaken).

There is no reason to think that if I have a cold and wipe my snot on a consecrated host and then you receive it, that you could not get my cold. Why is it any different for microscopic bacteria and germs that might get on either the species or the vessels?
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what i am talking about is someone’s saliva carrying germs touching the rim of the chalice when they drink and perhaps even though they wipe the chalice with the cloth, some germs still remain to make someone else sick. to Constatine, faith can heal, but faith cannot prevent all illnesses. perhaps the chances are slim, but if there is a really bad flu bug going around, i would prefer not taking the chance of getting sick. i am not able to have a flu shot because of a previous health condition.
 
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