The Wedding of Jesus

[Valke2]

Even Valke disagrees with you on this one.

What do you mean ‘even valke’?

 

[Randy_Carson]

I know Cluny, but that’s according to the first three gospels. The fourth gospel does not acknowledge those 40 days of fast in the wilderness. If fasting was what Jesus was doing and not feasting in Cana, you are going to discard the fourth gospel. Then, your NT will have only three gospels. Are you ready for that? I didn’t think so. Then, you are in trouble.

Is it your contention then that the Gospel of John is written in chronological sequence as opposed to a thematic scheme? That John’s purpose for writing was the same as that of the authors of the synoptic gospels?

Now, if you insist that Jesus did not get married, he broke a commandment. The first ever given to grow and multiply. (Gen. 1:28) If Jesus did not fulfill that commandment, then what are you going to do with Matthew 5:17-19 when he said that he had come to fulfill all the laws to the letter? Big trouble, don’t you think so?

Not really. As God, Jesus declared Himself to be Lord of the Sabbath. Fulfilling the Law is not the same as obeying it. He fulfilled the Law in that what the Law could not do (make man righteous before God, Jesus did by his death.)

But is it your contention that Jesus was the only Jewish man in history who did not marry? Is it also your contention that if someone does not marry he has disobeyed God?

 

[LilyM]

What do you mean ‘even valke’?

I mean absolutely no offence, I can assure you!

 

[inJESUS]

What do you mean ‘even valke’?

 

[PJM]

=Ben Masada;4810829]THE WEDDING OF JESUS

Jesus was a Rabbi and here are the proofs: Matthew 23:7; John 1:38; 3:2; 20:16. The point is that a Rabbi in Israel had to be a married man.

Ben, dear friend, what the heck are you talking about? Here is Mt.23:" "The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses’ seat; 3 . 8* But you are not to be called rabbi, for you have one teacher, and you are all brethren. 9 And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven. 10 Neither be called masters, for you have one master, the Christ. ; .

Mary’s parents had passed away because she used to live with her sister Martha and brother Lazarus in Bethany.

After Jesus’ wedding, you can check for yourselves, all Jesus’ come-and-goes were from and to Bethany, the home of Mary Magdalene. …Jesus as his beloved disciple.

(Ben this is Saint John, not MM!)

Ben, Ol buddy, could you be a bit more specific with your highly imaginitive calims. How about just a shred of biblical support. ben, Your making it very difficult for anyone to take you seriously:blush:

Then, in Bethany when Mary was smearing Jesus’ body with that expensive pefume, we all know, that Mary did not just throw that perfume at him from afar. Definitely not! she did smear him almost all over even in terms of massage,. (Mat. 26:10-13)

Mt. 26: " a woman came up to him with an alabaster flask of very expensive ointment, and she poured it on his head, as he sat at table."

Head Ben, head, is NOT the whole body, but you know that:blush:

In another occasion, when Mary went to the tomb area after the crucifixion, and saw the empty tomb, “Why are you crying?” the man asked. Alas! She did not identify him; it was too dark. But then Jesus tried her name the way he used to call her: “Mary…!” It’s hard to say it in writing, but Mary melted all down and exclaimed"** “Raboni!” **

Ben, why a tomb, if Jesus "wasn’t dead?"

This term “Raboni”, or Master of my sufferings Ben what the heck are you talking about? Evidence Ben, evidence, or please hush! (Pat), is such a solemn and love-tender expression in Hebrew and Aramaic that only seldom is used out of the frame of deep love. It was then that she jumped to hug him but Jesus, probably all in bandages, forbade her to cause him any unnecessary pain. He would meet her later at more propitious circumstances. (John 20:17)

Then, after some apparitions to the disciples, Jesus said goodbye and left the company. …Joseph had to go along because if he had stayed, he would probably be crucified for having cheated on Pilate regarding Jesus who was not dead when he took him off the cross.

So Ben, Jesus didn’t die and rise from the dead? Hmmmm

John Ch. 20: "26 Eight days later, his disciples were again in the house, and Thomas was with them. The doors were shut, but Jesus came and stood among them, and said, “Peace be with you.” 27* Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here, and see my hands; and put out your hand, and place it in my side; do not be faithless, but believing.” 28 **Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!” *29 Jesus said to him, “Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet believe.”

And the third, speculation is the one of the Da Vinci Code, that the three went to Europe and settled down in the Southern part of France in a small village. And that Mary gave birth to a daughter, who eventually got married into the Merovingian nobility.

Whatever happened after Jesus said goodbye to his disciples, I don’t endorse anything that has been speculated. My point is only to verify the truth about Jesus’ marriage to Mary Magdalene. If that’s true without the shadow of a doubt, we have only to be joyful that Jesus fulfilled also the commandment to get married and father children. Besides, a married man only adds to his honour for being so.

Ben please never claim that Catholics are not kind. This is a Catholic Forum, and you were able to post this false and rediculious post completely lacking ANY evidence, except your way too active imiganation.

**Nice try Ben,

But where is the evidence in the bible?

Jesus was NOT a Rabbi, in the sense your saying, but I suspect you already know that Ben.**John Chapter 1: "37 The two disciples heard him say this, and they followed Jesus. 38 Jesus turned, and saw them following, and said to them, “What do you seek?” And they said to him, “Rabbi” (which means Teacher), "where are you staying?"

John Chapter 20: "14 Saying this, she turned round and saw Jesus standing, but she did not know that it was Jesus. 15 Jesus said to her, “Woman, why are you weeping? Whom do you seek?” Supposing him to be the gardener, she said to him, “Sir, if you have carried him away, tell me where you have laid him, and I will take him away.” 16 Jesus said to her, “Mary.” She turned and said to him in Hebrew, “Rab-boni!” (which means Teacher)."*

Ben this interpation is biblical, so your’s, well lets play nice, your’s simply misses the truth. But you having fun, and that’s good, right?

Both from the NIV Bible…

Rabbi, means “teacher.” And OH! What a Teacher, Jesus is. If, if, if only we will listen.

Again, high marks for your tenacity, even if it’s not based on the complete truth.

God bless you dear friend.

 

[chrisse]

THE WEDDING OF JESUS

Jesus was a Rabbi and here are the proofs: Matthew 23:7; John 1:38; 3:2; 20:16. The point is that a Rabbi in Israel had to be a married man. Then, according to Judaism, after the proper procedures, the Jewish prospect would undergo the ceremonial “mikveh” or immersion in waters before ordination.

After Jesus’ immersion in the Jordan River by John the Baptist, Jesus was seen during the next two days on his way to Galilee. (John 1:35,43) Then on the third day after his “mikveh” the family and friends were celebrating his wedding in Cana with Mary Magdalene.

According to the custom, the mother of the Bride would be in charge of the celebrations, but probably Mary’s parents had passed away because she used to live with her sister Martha and brother Lazarus in Bethany. I mean, they used to live with Mary who was the one well-to-do. Martha would pay her room-and-board as a maiden servant, and Lazarus… well, I think he was a loafer boy taking advantage of his rich sister. He was probably a sick man anyway.

Back to the wedding, Jesus’ mother Mary had to do the host job; and she did it quite well by giving orders around to the servants. Also, according to the custom, the Bridegroom was in charge to provide the wine, which mind you, Jesus made sure it was of the best quality. The tale of the miracle was interpolated much later to deviate the probing attention of those who have a mind of their own to find out what was really going on in Canah.

After Jesus’ wedding, you can check for yourselves, all Jesus’ come-and-goes were from and to Bethany, the home of Mary Magdalene. Then, whenever Jesus would return from his missionary campains throughout Israel, the address was Bethany. To his wife obviously, although most the time Mary Magdalene would follow Jesus as his beloved disciple. The Church later interpolated John as the “beloved disciple” for the same reason to get the mind of the readers away from the thought that Jesus was married to Mary Magdalene.

Do we have any evidence of a romantic approach prior or after their wedding? Of course, we do! After Jesus exorcized seven demons from Mary, she must have fallen in love with him. (Luke 8:1-3) The expression “seven demons” means the struggle that Jesus had to go through to extricate Mary from her not-so-reputable business in Magdala.

Then, in Bethany when Mary was smearing Jesus’ body with that expensive pefume, we all know, that Mary did not just throw that perfume at him from afar. Definitely not! she did smear him almost all over even in terms of massage, so much so that some of the guests thought it to be unbecoming. (Mat. 26:10-13)

Then, while everyone else would address Jesus as Rabbi, Mary would call him “Rabboni,” a colloquial term used as an expression of love, especially by a Rabbi’s wife. It also means “Master of my suffering,” as Rachel named her son Benoni before she died from child birth. (Gen. 35:18)

In another occasion, when Mary went to the tomb area after the crucifixion, and saw the empty tomb, she never suffered more in her life. She wanted to take him away with her. (John 20:15) Then, she was crying without consolation. In the middle of her travails, she saw a man standing by and throught to be the Gardener. “Why are you crying?” the man asked. Alas! She did not identify him; it was too dark. But then Jesus tried her name the way he used to call her: “Mary…!” It’s hard to say it in writing, but Mary melted all down and exclaimed" “Raboni!”

This term “Raboni”, or Master of my sufferings, is such a solemn and love-tender expression in Hebrew and Aramaic that only seldom is used out of the frame of deep love. It was then that she jumped to hug him but Jesus, probably all in bandages, forbade her to cause him any unnecessary pain. He would meet her later at more propitious circumstances. (John 20:17)

Then, after some apparitions to the disciples, Jesus said goodbye and left the company. From then on, the names of these three peoples were never mentioned again; Jesus, Mary Magdalene and Joseph of Arimathea. Jesus yes, but only in connection with his teachings by the Nazarenes, a Jewish Sect founded by his Apostles. Joseph had to go along because if he had stayed, he would probably be crucified for having cheated on Pilate regarding Jesus who was not dead when he took him off the cross.

Today, there are three speculations about their whereabouts. The first is that they settled down incognito in Talpiot, a small town not too far south of Jerusalem, where some people have claimed to have found out the graves of Yeshua, Miriam and Joseph. I went there personally but just to be told that the area could not be explored or visited by order of the local Meier for being under an Apartment building.

The second speculation is that they left Israel in the direction of Cashmere, India, where a Russian Archaeologist is claimed to have found the graves of Yeshua, Miriam and Joseph under the sign of the shield of David.

And the third, speculation is the one of the Da Vinci Code, that the three went to Europe and settled down in the Southern part of France in a small village. And that Mary gave birth to a daughter, who eventually got married into the Merovingian nobility.

Whatever happened after Jesus said goodbye to his disciples, I don’t endorse anything that has been speculated. My point is only to verify the truth about Jesus’ marriage to Mary Magdalene. If that’s true without the shadow of a doubt, we have only to be joyful that Jesus fulfilled also the commandment to get married and father children. Besides, a married man only adds to his honour for being so.

Ben:

Great story, when’s the movie … or should I say sequel.

 

[PaulDupre]

As to the marriage feast at Cana - it could not have been Jesus’ wedding. The gospel according to John states:

On the third day a wedding took place at Cana in Galilee. Jesus’ mother was there, and Jesus and his disciples had also been invited to the wedding. - John 2:1-2

Who has to be invited to his own wedding?

Paul

 

[estesbob]

Hi

Thank you for this wonderful post.

Regards

I guess you would think that it was a wonderful post since it is straight from your blog:

paarsurrey.wordpress.com/

 

[BeeSweet]

Who has to be invited to his own wedding?

Paul

:clapping:

 

[LilyM]

:clapping:

Set, point and match!

 

[adelore]

I for one **do Not **believe that Jesus was married. Here are my reasons why.

1. First we have Peter, who Jesus gave the keys to. Seems to me that Peter would have told us about Jesus being married. After all wouldn’t this be a detail about Jesus life that surely would have been spelled out in Great Detail, leaving no doubt to the reader of the Gospels. I mean after all wouldn’t Jesus being married and having children, wouldn’t this have been something every Gospel writer would have written about?
2. No where does St. Paul even mention Jesus being married to Mary M. (and if you know where this is written out in Detail, please let me know.)
3. In fact if anyone knows where any of the Gospels, or anywhere in the NT it points out in Detail that Jesus married Mary M. I’d like to see that.
4. The OT fortells about Jesus Birth, His Life, Death and that he would be risen. Seems to me it would have mentioned that he was going to be married and have children, if this was truely going to happen. (Again, if someone can point out where the OT tells of this, please let me know, I’d love to read it. But I don’t believe you’ll find it.

Now I do believe that Jesus loved Mary M., but not in a romatic way. I also believe that Mary M. loved Jeus, again though not in a romatic way. I don’t see this anywhere in the Bible. Yet I do see a love between them, but this was a pure love. (not romatic, not sexually.) Mary M. loved Jesus and I believe, based on what I’ve read, that she loved him as the Savior she knew he was/and is.

Jesus has/had a love for people, like all of us some touched his heart deeply. This is proven in the Bible as after all Jesus wept at the death of his dear friend.

I find it amazing that there are people out there that just have a hard time accepting Jesus the way he was. Why try to change that? Does it change who he was because he wasn’t married? Is it so hard to believe that he wasn’t?

Can you prove that he was married in Detail? Where and Who wrote it in the Bible. (believe me if it’s in the Bible in Detail, I’d like to see that.)

Let’s keep in mind one major thing. The Bible is all about Jesus, do you really think if he had gotten married, such an important Detail would have been left up to twisting scrpiture around to make others want to think that? Heaven’s no! Scripture would have come right out and mentioned it, there would be no beating around the bush about it. It would have given Details and Plenty of them!

Since most Protesents love to go with Solo Scripture, (and I say this with much respect.) Please show me the Solo Scriptures where it states in Detail, where my Lord and Savior, Jesus was indeed married to Mary M.

 

[Randy_Carson]

As to the marriage feast at Cana - it could not have been Jesus’ wedding. The gospel according to John states:

Who has to be invited to his own wedding?

Paul

Doh! uch:

How could I have missed that? Nice!

 

[swariffin]

THE WEDDING OF JESUS

Jesus was a Rabbi and here are the proofs: Matthew 23:7; John 1:38; 3:2; 20:16. The point is that a Rabbi in Israel had to be a married man. Then, according to Judaism, after the proper procedures, the Jewish prospect would undergo the ceremonial “mikveh” or immersion in waters before ordination.

After Jesus’ immersion in the Jordan River by John the Baptist, Jesus was seen during the next two days on his way to Galilee. (John 1:35,43) Then on the third day after his “mikveh” the family and friends were celebrating his wedding in Cana with Mary Magdalene.

According to the custom, the mother of the Bride would be in charge of the celebrations, but probably Mary’s parents had passed away because she used to live with her sister Martha and brother Lazarus in Bethany. I mean, they used to live with Mary who was the one well-to-do. Martha would pay her room-and-board as a maiden servant, and Lazarus… well, I think he was a loafer boy taking advantage of his rich sister. He was probably a sick man anyway.

Back to the wedding, Jesus’ mother Mary had to do the host job; and she did it quite well by giving orders around to the servants. Also, according to the custom, the Bridegroom was in charge to provide the wine, which mind you, Jesus made sure it was of the best quality. The tale of the miracle was interpolated much later to deviate the probing attention of those who have a mind of their own to find out what was really going on in Canah.

After Jesus’ wedding, you can check for yourselves, all Jesus’ come-and-goes were from and to Bethany, the home of Mary Magdalene. Then, whenever Jesus would return from his missionary campains throughout Israel, the address was Bethany. To his wife obviously, although most the time Mary Magdalene would follow Jesus as his beloved disciple. The Church later interpolated John as the “beloved disciple” for the same reason to get the mind of the readers away from the thought that Jesus was married to Mary Magdalene.

Do we have any evidence of a romantic approach prior or after their wedding? Of course, we do! After Jesus exorcized seven demons from Mary, she must have fallen in love with him. (Luke 8:1-3) The expression “seven demons” means the struggle that Jesus had to go through to extricate Mary from her not-so-reputable business in Magdala.

Then, in Bethany when Mary was smearing Jesus’ body with that expensive pefume, we all know, that Mary did not just throw that perfume at him from afar. Definitely not! she did smear him almost all over even in terms of massage, so much so that some of the guests thought it to be unbecoming. (Mat. 26:10-13)

Then, while everyone else would address Jesus as Rabbi, Mary would call him “Rabboni,” a colloquial term used as an expression of love, especially by a Rabbi’s wife. It also means “Master of my suffering,” as Rachel named her son Benoni before she died from child birth. (Gen. 35:18)

In another occasion, when Mary went to the tomb area after the crucifixion, and saw the empty tomb, she never suffered more in her life. She wanted to take him away with her. (John 20:15) Then, she was crying without consolation. In the middle of her travails, she saw a man standing by and throught to be the Gardener. “Why are you crying?” the man asked. Alas! She did not identify him; it was too dark. But then Jesus tried her name the way he used to call her: “Mary…!” It’s hard to say it in writing, but Mary melted all down and exclaimed" “Raboni!”

This term “Raboni”, or Master of my sufferings, is such a solemn and love-tender expression in Hebrew and Aramaic that only seldom is used out of the frame of deep love. It was then that she jumped to hug him but Jesus, probably all in bandages, forbade her to cause him any unnecessary pain. He would meet her later at more propitious circumstances. (John 20:17)

Then, after some apparitions to the disciples, Jesus said goodbye and left the company. From then on, the names of these three peoples were never mentioned again; Jesus, Mary Magdalene and Joseph of Arimathea. Jesus yes, but only in connection with his teachings by the Nazarenes, a Jewish Sect founded by his Apostles. Joseph had to go along because if he had stayed, he would probably be crucified for having cheated on Pilate regarding Jesus who was not dead when he took him off the cross.

Today, there are three speculations about their whereabouts. The first is that they settled down incognito in Talpiot, a small town not too far south of Jerusalem, where some people have claimed to have found out the graves of Yeshua, Miriam and Joseph. I went there personally but just to be told that the area could not be explored or visited by order of the local Meier for being under an Apartment building.

The second speculation is that they left Israel in the direction of Cashmere, India, where a Russian Archaeologist is claimed to have found the graves of Yeshua, Miriam and Joseph under the sign of the shield of David.

And the third, speculation is the one of the Da Vinci Code, that the three went to Europe and settled down in the Southern part of France in a small village. And that Mary gave birth to a daughter, who eventually got married into the Merovingian nobility.

Whatever happened after Jesus said goodbye to his disciples, I don’t endorse anything that has been speculated. My point is only to verify the truth about Jesus’ marriage to Mary Magdalene. If that’s true without the shadow of a doubt, we have only to be joyful that Jesus fulfilled also the commandment to get married and father children. Besides, a married man only adds to his honour for being so.

Ben:

Did the Jewish leaders, the Pharisee, the Torah expert all believe that Jesus was a Rabbi? Please quote your reference.

 

[swariffin]

Wow. A Jew and a Muslim in happy agreement.

Who knew that denying Christianity would make such strange bedfellows?

A good beginning for ending the endless quarrel of the Jews and the Muslims there in the Holy Land. Nevermind if they declare wrong things about Jesus. I believe that Jesus will forgive them.

 

[Thorwald]

Hi

Thank you for this wonderful post.

Regards

In the O/T, people offered up unblemished lambs for a sacrifice to God, in order to have their sins forgiven. Christians have Jesus Christ for their sacrifice. What have you got?

 

[benedictgal]

As many have stated, there is no indication anywhere, unless in the misguided minds of some, that Jesus married. In fact, if we were to “deconstruct” the account of the Wedding at Cana, we would note that the headwaiter spoke to the groom and asked him why he used the cheap wine first and waited until the end to use the good wine. If Jesus were the “groom”, this would not have been the problem.

Second, the prophets foretold that once the Messiah made his presence, the wine of gladness would flow; hence, Jesus’ first miracle would have something to do with wine and it would foreshadow the fact that he would later consecrate wine into His Blood.

Third, Jesus is the embodiment of marriage because he is the union of God and Man. Furthermore, we have the Pauline letters that state that the Church is the Bride of Christ.

 

[Ben_Masada]

As many have stated, there is no indication anywhere, unless in the misguided minds of some, that Jesus married. In fact, if we were to “deconstruct” the account of the Wedding at Cana, we would note that the headwaiter spoke to the groom and asked him why he used the cheap wine first and waited until the end to use the good wine. If Jesus were the “groom”, this would not have been the problem.

Thank you Benedictgal, you have authenticated my threat about the wedding of Jesus by bringing up that part of the headwaiter when he asked Jesus why he had to reserve the best wine for the end. Why did he ask Jesus and not the Bridegroom who was the one in charge to provide the wine for the occasion? Because Jesus was the Bridegroom.

Now, let me bring to in return another part that you have reminded me so graciously: That was Jesus’ first miracle, wasn’t it? Yes.
Why then would Mary, his mother complain to him that the they had run out of wine? Why didn’t she go to the Bridegroom with the
complain, considering that the Bridegroom was the one in charge to providing the wine? Mary could not think of the possibility of a miracle because she had never seen one performed by Jesus.

Now, since we are at it, I can personally attest for the custom that the Bridegroom was in charge to provide the wine before anything else, because I got married in Israel within an extremely traditional Yemenite family whose father of the Bride was a Rabbi.
And I was reminded of the custom for the Bridegroom to provide for the wine, which I only happily complied. Only that in my case,
I had to pay for it. I couldn’t turn water into wine. But it was a good
wine though.

The point is that if Jesus had not been the Bridegroom in that wedding, we would not have these two shouting evidences of the headwaiter addressing himself to Jesus about the wine, and of Jesus’ mother complaining to him about the lack of wine. She probably didn’t want her Bridegroom son to feel embarrassed for
failing with his responsibility. Thanks again pal. If there was any
doubt left in my mind, it’s gone.

 

[PatienceAndLove]

As many have stated, there is no indication anywhere, unless in the misguided minds of some, that Jesus married. In fact, if we were to “deconstruct” the account of the Wedding at Cana, we would note that the headwaiter spoke to the groom and asked him why he used the cheap wine first and waited until the end to use the good wine. If Jesus were the “groom”, this would not have been the problem.

Second, the prophets foretold that once the Messiah made his presence, the wine of gladness would flow; hence, Jesus’ first miracle would have something to do with wine and it would foreshadow the fact that he would later consecrate wine into His Blood.

Third, Jesus is the embodiment of marriage because he is the union of God and Man. Furthermore, we have the Pauline letters that state that the Church is the Bride of Christ.

As usual- a concise and wonderful argument!

 

[Ben_Masada]

Did the Jewish leaders, the Pharisee, the Torah expert all believe that Jesus was a Rabbi? Please quote your reference.

Yes Swariffin, some did, even from the Pharisees. Don’t forget that even some Pharisees had converted to the Sect of the Nazarenes, disciples of Jesus. Since they were authorities and very educated Jews, they were set as members of the Committee in the Nazarene headquarters in Jerusalem. The reference you can find in Acts 15:5. Today, we don’t have more Jews admitting that Jesus was a Rabbi because of what Christians have done to the Jews throughout History.

Ben:

 

[erigby27]

Thank you Benedictgal, you have authenticated my threat about the wedding of Jesus by bringing up that part of the headwaiter when he asked Jesus why he had to reserve the best wine for the end. Why did he ask Jesus and not the Bridegroom who was the one in charge to provide the wine for the occasion? Because Jesus was the Bridegroom.

Now, let me bring to in return another part that you have reminded me so graciously: That was Jesus’ first miracle, wasn’t it? Yes.
Why then would Mary, his mother complain to him that the they had run out of wine? Why didn’t she go to the Bridegroom with the
complain, considering that the Bridegroom was the one in charge to providing the wine? Mary could not think of the possibility of a miracle because she had never seen one performed by Jesus.

Mary said to Jesus “they have no more wine”. Had it been Jesus’ wedding, wouldn’t she have said “we have no more wine”?

Jesus responded, “Woman, why do you involve me?” Why would he even ask that if it were his own wedding?

As for verses 9 and 10, if the master (only the New American Standard version says “headwaiter”. every other version says “master” or “host” or some synonym thereof) had wanted to compliment Jesus on the wine, wouldn’t it say “he called Jesus aside”? But it doesn’t say “Jesus” it says “the bridgroom”. Jesus is referred to by name repeatedly in the rest of the story; only a few times is a pronoun even used to refer to him. Why would John use “the bridegroom” to refer to Jesus when he obviously likes to use Jesus’ name as much as possible (if it were anyone else’s name I would say “ad nauseum”)?

Oh and if, as you say, the bride’s parents were dead and BV Mary was running the show, who was the master of the wedding (because it would normally be the bride’s father, as I’m sure you are aware)? Or was Jesus the master and the bridegroom and the miracle-working guest (who was, as it was cleverly pointed out, invited to the wedding at Cana)?