The Wedding of Jesus

[Ben_Masada]

Ben Masada;4843846:

Gosh, what about the one so called Christian who burn the Jewish also bomb the other Christian in England, in France, in Poland. Christian bombing another Christian? Does not look logical to me. However, you really introduce a new idea. It maybe good to have Christian against Christian, Jewish against either Christian or Islam or both (you are free to chose). At the end the Asian shall inherit the world.

I forget. You believe in an eye for an eye, don’t you?

No, Swariffin, Jews can think better than to apply the literal method to the Scriptures. The Talion punishment within
the Jewish context is the appropriate payment for the value of the propriety loss. Nothing as literal as you think.

Ben:

 

[paarsurrey]

Well my friend, If you want to deny that he(Jesus) was married, drop the claim that he was a Rabbi.
Ben:

Hi

I think they would have to drop the claim with that; that Jesus was a perfect model for the humans. He cannot be a model human being as father, fathering his sons and daughters, in my opinion. He cannot be a model as a good husband, as he he had no wives, as our Catholic friend won’t let him have some, in my opinion. He cannot be a model as son to a physical father; as he had in fact none. Already there are things in the Bible; that don’t make him a model son to his mother, in my opinion . He could not be a Model head of the family; as he never had any dependents, in my opinion.

So, our Christian friends make him a non-model for human beings, in my opinion. These are very important faculties for a model man; and there are many more, i don’t want to mention them, please. There was no fault with the man Jesus; the fault is perhaps with the Paul/s who projected him erroneously, in my opinion.

Jesus could assert himself for his claims and reasons; he needed no Paul/s, in my opinion; **I love Jesus **for his wisdom. Jesus feared nobody except GodAllahYHWH whose humble servant Jesus was, in my opinion. I also love the blessed Mary.

Thanks

 

[Ben_Masada]

God becoming flesh is not common. Many false messiah’s [which means annointed] did occur which is why they had them killed - but Jesus was killed in precision to scriptures.

Isaias 43:18 - 25

15** I am the Lord your Holy One**, the Creator of Israel, your King.

16 Thus saith the Lord, who made a way in the sea, and a path in the mighty waters. 17 Who brought forth the chariot and the horse, the army and the strong: they lay down to sleep together, and they shall not rise again: they are broken as flax, and are extinct. 18 Remember not former things, and look not on things of old. 19** Behold I do new things, and now they shall spring forth, verily you shall know them**: I will make a way in the wilderness, and rivers in the desert. 20 The beast of the field shall glorify me, the dragons and the ostriches: because I have given waters in the wilderness, rivers in the desert, to give drink to my people, to my chosen. 21 This people have I formed for myself, they shall show forth my praise. 22 But thou hast not called upon me, O Jacob, neither hast thou laboured about me, O Israel. 23 Thou hast not offered me the ram of thy holocaust, nor hast thou glorified me with thy victims: I have not caused thee to serve with oblations, nor wearied thee with incense. 24 Thou hast bought me no sweet cane with money, neither hast thou filled me with the fat of thy victims. But thou hast made me to serve with thy sins, thou hast wearied me with thy iniquities. 25 I am, I am he that blot out thy iniquities for my own sake, and I will not remember thy sins.
26 Put me in remembrance, and let us plead together: tell if thou hast any thing to justify thyself. 27 Thy first father sinned, and thy teachers have transgressed against me. 28 And I have profaned the holy princes, I have given Jacob to slaughter, and Israel to reproach.

****PUT Me in rememberance, and let us plead together **! <~ The Eucharist we offer up at every Mass is the Body and Blood of the Lord poured out pleading for us, we do this in rememberance.

So do you have anything to justify yourself?

How about the soul sleep of David? And how about the tombs opening on the death of Jesus - and souls roaming the towns according to many witnesses…and the holy of holies cloth ripped into two. And an earthquake that hit the Temple. How about the fact when Isreal didnt offer oblations - prior to Christ - God was not pleased.

2000 years and the Temple still not in use.

What is this a tale of zoombies? Regarding the Temple, still to be built, the problem is that the Jews this time brought too much politics from abroad. But it will come, and perhaps sooner that you think.

Ben

 

[dolphinlove]

Well my friend, your NT says that Jesus was a Rabbi. And I am filling in the blanks that a Jewish Rabbi much more strictly in the First Century than today, he had to be a married man. You can’t bake your cake and eat it too. If you want to deny that he was married, drop the claim that he was a Rabbi.

Since Jesus IS God, dont you think he can still be a rabbi without being married, after all, God is the one who can do what he likes!
Because of his knowledge at a very young age, it would possibly be more than likely he would have become a rabbi at quite a young age. Which i think, if he was young, its unlikely he was married, yet was still a rabbi.

And i will add, i just did some research, rabbis dont have to be married.

 

[Ben_Masada]

If tradition is correct, then Thomas went to India with the Gospel of Matthew in 52 AD. That means it was written within 25 years of Jesus death.

Obviously, trandition is not correct for two reasons: First, the first gospel came about in the year 85 CE according to the Saint Joseph Catholic edition of the New American Bible. And second, because Thomas was a Nazarene, a Sect that never had anything to do with the gospel of Paul.

If you pay attention to the external sources, one can date the writing of virtually the entire New Testament to before 70 AD, which is less than forty years after the death of Jesus.

That’s pure hogwash.

Paul claims to have persecuted Christians prior to his conversion. At least one academic thinks that there is enough evidence to suggest that he was an eye witness to the crucifixion.

One does not found a religion to persecute the adepts. (Acts 11:26) Regarding being Paul a witness to the crucifixion, is poppy-cock. Paul was a boy perhaps 5 years old in Tarsus of Cilicia, a Greek city, playing with little baby gods.

jonathon

 

[Ben_Masada]

Since Jesus IS God, dont you think he can still be a rabbi without being married, after all, God is the one who can do what he likes!
Because of his knowledge at a very young age, it would possibly be more than likely he would have become a rabbi at quite a young age. Which i think, if he was young, its unlikely he was married, yet was still a rabbi.

And i will add, i just did some research, rabbis dont have to be married.

God can do everything or anything but one. That thing you wish He did or should have done.

Regarding Jesus being God that’s Greek Mythology. Jesus was Jewish and there is no such a thing in Judaism.

Good luck on your research.

Ben

 

[dolphinlove]

God can do everything or anything but one. That thing you wish He did or should have done.

Regarding Jesus being God that’s Greek Mythology. Jesus was Jewish and there is no such a thing in Judaism.

Good luck on your research.

Ben

ive done my research and its obvious ive had to correct you, your greek mythology theory doesnt hold water.
Have you even read about Jesus? Do you know anything about Christianity? so far it seemsyou dont…

 

[rinnie]

Jesus claimed to be a chanpion of God’s Law, as he declared that he came to confirm it and not to abolish it. And to make sure we all did the same. (Mat. 5:17-19)

Ben:

Again Ben who do you say Jesus claimed to be. I don’t recall seeing Jesus saying anywhere in scripture that he was the Champion of Gods Law. Could you show me that quote.

And again for the tenth time who do you say Jesus claimed to be? Such a easy question, but one you insist on avoiding.

Now you did say something true again, Jesus did confirm the law not abolish it. Can you show me where Jesus abolished the law of the OT Ben. This has got to be good. I can’t even IMAGINE what that mind of yours is going to come up with now.

 

[Ben_Masada]

Now you did say something true again, Jesus did confirm the law not abolish it. Can you show me where Jesus abolished the law of the OT Ben. This has got to be good. I can’t even IMAGINE what that mind of yours is going to come up with now.

Now, you fell trapped by my spider’s web. That’s for you to tell me when did Jesus ever say that he came to abolish the Law.

To help you out, your champion named Paul, said in Ephesians 2:15. that the Law was abolished on the cross, that Paul was, preaching against Moses in Acts 21:21, that his Christ was the end of the Law in Romans 10:4, etc.

Now, with that in mind, and because I can’t ask Paul, who has been dead for almost two thousand years, tell me yourself when did Jesus say that he came to abolish the Law. Let’s see if we can get down to business.

Ben:

 

[Ben_Masada]

Now you did say something true again, Jesus did confirm the law not abolish it. Can you show me where Jesus abolished the law of the OT Ben. This has got to be good. I can’t even IMAGINE what that mind of yours is going to come up with now.

Now, you fell trapped by my spider’s web. That’s for you to tell me when did Jesus ever say that he came to abolish the Law.

To help you out, your champion named Paul, said in Ephesians 2:15. that the Law was abolished on the cross, that Paul was preaching against Moses in Acts 21:21, that his Christ was the end of the Law in Romans 10:4, etc.

Now, with that in mind, and because I can’t ask Paul, who has been dead for almost two thousand years, tell me yourself when did Jesus say that he came to abolish the Law. Let’s see if we can get down to business.

Ben:

 

[rinnie]

Now I do not claim to be a historian, but If I remember my History correctly the crusades were fought against the Muslims. I could be wrong but don’t think I am. AS to the Inquisition only those that had professed a conversion to Christianity would have been brought before the Inquisitor. I do realize that those that did not convert were made to suffer as they could not work or had to leave Spain. I also remember His Holiness JohnPaul the great making a Public apology for this and begging for the forgiveness of God and the Jewish people for it.

Also Ben you have yet to answer how Jesus was married to Mary Magdalene when they did not even meet till after the Wedding at Canna?

I do believe that your hatred of ST Paul comes from what you see as his turning from fighting against the Apostles to Joining them.

and just my observation here But you sound like no Jew I have ever met you sound more like a Muslim. I have notice that you spell out God were every thing I have ever read from Jewish people alway spell it G d?

Also Ben can you explain to us about the wedding too? Still waiting, Kinda blows up your whole theory huh!

 

[Ben_Masada]

ive done my research and its obvious ive had to correct you, your greek mythology theory doesnt hold water.
Have you even read about Jesus? Do you know anything about Christianity? so far it seemsyou dont…

If you think I don’t know anything about Jesus or
the Christianity of Paul, why don’t you tell me about it? But as you tell me about it, be ready to answer questions. I am not of the kind that chew the cud.

Ben:

 

[Ben_Masada]

Also Ben can you explain to us about the wedding too? Still waiting, Kinda blows up your whole theory huh!

 

[rinnie]

Now, you fell trapped by my spider’s web. That’s for you to tell me when did Jesus ever say that he came to abolish the Law.

To help you out, your champion named Paul, said in Ephesians 2:15. that the Law was abolished on the cross, that Paul was, preaching against Moses in Acts 21:21, that his Christ was the end of the Law in Romans 10:4, etc.

Now, with that in mind, and because I can’t ask Paul, who has been dead for almost two thousand years, tell me yourself when did Jesus say that he came to abolish the Law. Let’s see if we can get down to business.

Ben:

easy Matthew 5:17

Quote, Do not imagine that I have come to abolish the law or the Prophets. I have come not to abolish but to complete them. unquote.

Now answer my question who do you say that Jesus claimed to be. Not what did he do, WHO.

 

[rinnie]

Now, you fell trapped by my spider’s web. That’s for you to tell me when did Jesus ever say that he came to abolish the Law.

To help you out, your champion named Paul, said in Ephesians 2:15. that the Law was abolished on the cross, that Paul was, preaching against Moses in Acts 21:21, that his Christ was the end of the Law in Romans 10:4, etc.

Now, with that in mind, and because I can’t ask Paul, who has been dead for almost two thousand years, tell me yourself when did Jesus say that he came to abolish the Law. Let’s see if we can get down to business.

Ben:

By the way your tricks are not working who said he came to abolish the law. I just said he did not come to abolish it he came to fullfill it. What is your problem. Why do you feel you need to TRY to keep setting traps.

 

[Ben_Masada]

yet if for whatever reason a candidate for the rabbinate hasn’t yet found his soul mate, that doesn’t automatically disqualify him.

 

[bpbasilphx]

Now, let the readers who are not Catholics choose between the word of a Jew and the one of a Gentile when discussing about Jewish things. It did authomatically disqualify the prospect.

Your opinion about Christian things are about as useful, though not as accurate, as my opinion on the Talmud.

 

[Ben_Masada]

By the way your tricks are not working who said he came to abolish the law. I just said he did not come to abolish it he came to fullfill it. What is your problem. Why do you feel you need to TRY to keep setting traps.

Trap is just a joke. But anyways, you are not trapped because you are dishonestly covering half of the truth about Matthew 5:17-19. Jesus left it very clear in verse 19 that whoever breaks the least signiticant of these commandments and teaches others to do so, shall be called least in the Kingdom of God. That’s another way to say that he or she shall be condemned. So, Jesus came to fulfill the Law and to make sure we all do the same. Therefore, where did Paul get the idea that the Law was abolished on the cross? Anyone can see that he was
contradicting Jesus himself. Contra means Anti. And if Jesus was Christ, This sounds like Antichrist. Don’t you think so?

Ben:

 

[Ben_Masada]

Now, let the readers who are not Catholics choose between the word of a Jew and the one of a Gentile when discussing about Jewish things. It did authomatically disqualify the prospect.

Your opinion about Christian things are about as useful, though not as accurate, as my opinion on the Talmud.

The difference is that I do not temper with Chritianity in the practice of my Judaism. And Christians temper
with Judaism in their practice of Christianity by introducing Hellenistic strange innovations into Judaism.

Ben:

 

[Ben_Masada]

Ben_Masada:
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