The wind of change in the Arabic/Islamic world.

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I hear you and we always like Peace to bring change. We cannot have the perpetual movement of peace be destroyed by violence though. This is where the confusion exits. And at this point you must admire these students and youth of Egypt.

But I also believe Dr King was 100% correct and its proven through History. And the movement of Egypt reminds me very much of the Civil Rights and Peace movements of the 60’s. Maybe these youth of Egypt can wake up a sleeping world. The US has been sleepwalking in silence a very long time also, and accepting whatever they are told as factual. We have become the laughing stock of the world. And if that wasn’t the truth I wouldn’t be on this forum talking to begin with.

“Freedom is never voluntarily given by the oppressor; it must be demanded by the oppressed.” “WE THE PEOPLE” Means everyone must speak up, not think everyone else is speaking for you. We want to hear what YOU have to say! Not think there are enough voices speaking up around you, to make up for what your have to say. Didn’t we all take this class? 🙂

“He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it. He who accepts evil without protesting against it, is really cooperating with it.”

“History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people.”

“I believe that unarmed truth and unconditional love will have the final word in reality. This is why right, temporarily defeated, is stronger than evil triumphant.”

“A riot is the oppressed language of the unheard.”

“Life’s most persistent and urgent question is, ‘What are you doing for others?’”

Dr Martin Luther King Jr.

Those students fought because they were confronted by violence and they refused to go quietly into the night. I find it very hard to believe the students will be found to have anything to do with the Coptic Christians slaughter. Very much on the contrary I believe.

The only question that remains is can the demonstations continue to drive towards the intended goal without being suppressed. And the moment I would say yes. For the simple reason that a good act eats away at the conscious of the silent good people and it has a domino affect. And at some point has to force others to speak up. The only alternative I see possible is an attack of brutal force by pure evil. I find it hard to believe the world would stand by and watch that right now. Especially when it was so clearly expessed that persecution of Israel is not on the table.

They have been riding the Jews like broken mules since the Holy Land been the Holy Land. You would think we have traveled far enough down the road of civil man to understand everyone has the right to live. No one is more important than anyone else. And the only possible correct solution could be to stop killing till we could find truth. And admit as humans that its very possible we may not have the entire truth of mans existance on earth, never mind the universe correct yet. And until we do we’ll have to work on it “together”.

The concern is not if each one believe’s each other Faith is accurate. The concern is, can we stop the slaughter to find the Truth? Lets arrive alive together then we’ll work on the rest.

If Egypt can motivate the surrounding countrys to take a similiar course of action. Which it already has to a large extent. Then it would go a very long way to stop the violence with radical Islam and to free Iran also. Then just maybe we can ALL Together start freeing these other forgotten dictatorships like Cuba and Nother Korea. We read History, and the evil empires that existed, and we are appauled and wonder how in the world that was allowed to continue. Yet we allow it to happen right this moment.

Its all well and fine to debate religion, but when we talk Human Rights, we all need to step off the soap box of religion and talk simply sound moral and ethic values. Life, Peace, Equality etc. Homo Sapien just hasn’t hasn’t travel as far from animal and barbaric as we all would all like to pretend and purpose in the idea of indivdual beliefs. We do know those that clearly have shown to perpetuate peace in history though. And what has bought modern man to this point.

We need to know at the uncoming primary elections in the US. Exactly where we are going with this country. And the candidates need to take their time and explain to everyone like they are 7 years old. And if there is something that the people of the US want to know. Than speak up, and it need be revealed. The quiet, secret government exists because we allow it to exist. And the “On the Need to basis” well, today we all need to know. How about we start there? And if everyone keeps thinking that everything is fine, don’t worry about it. Than at some point this country once again will be at the doorstep in DC by the millions. Its a fact.

If you want to study the social/political agenda of any country, just study hell. And it happens cause we continue to allow it to happen. So quickly we say, its not my business. But it will be your childrens business or theres. So there is not true saftly in the little personl bubble you call your world. So lets solve the problem while some can think on their feet. And then leave a clear record for future generations who are having the same problem of seeing the forest from below the trees.

Just Saying, Take a look at it. If the shoe fits wear it. Geez they killed King and Kennedy and its been 50 years of slow decline to mediocrity. We may not be here to see the results, but it sure is time to start the process again.

Its amazing how a couple deaths of great thinkers can shut everyone up, and allow the creeping disease called evil to again take root.
 
Maybe these youth of Egypt can wake up a sleeping world. The US has been sleepwalking in silence a very long time also, and accepting whatever they are told as factual.
Actually I was glad to hear president Obama supporting the people over the regime http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon14.gif, I hope he continues doing that till all the Arabic/Islamic world have full freedom and democracy which would lead GOD’s Word to reach every home and person.
 
The freedom and democracy is approaching the Arabic/Islamic world, first it was Iraq, then Tunisia, and yesterday it was Egypt. It’s really good to fell the freedom around us, I’m very happy to see the Egyptians (Muslims and Christians) celebrating yesterday when their dictator has been kicked out.

However, one of the reports shown here was accusing the Egyptian dictator regime of organizing the attack on the Coptic Church in Alexandria, so without that freedom we wouldn’t have known that.

I look forward one day to see official Churches next to my house…
I’ll wait for a while before bringing out the wine. The reality is that the Arab nations will remain solidly Moslem, which has no separation of religion and State.

Nor will they suddenly open their arms to Israel.

One of the reasons the US and the West cultivated these dictators was that they suppressed the more violent of their countrymen, and generally cooperated with Western interests. Mubarek was on fairly good relations with Israel. Saddam Hussein was the golden boy of US and Western Middle East diplomacy during the height of the Iranian revolution.

A new generation of leaders who are more responsive to their people may be less responsive to Western interests, not more. That’s not to say this may not be a bad development for the Arab peoples, but I doubt if it’s going to lead to better Western - Arab relations. I could be wrong.

We’ll just have to wait and see.
 
I’ll wait for a while before bringing out the wine. The reality is that the Arab nations will remain solidly Moslem, which has no separation of religion and State.

Nor will they suddenly open their arms to Israel.

One of the reasons the US and the West cultivated these dictators was that they suppressed the more violent of their countrymen, and generally cooperated with Western interests. Mubarek was on fairly good relations with Israel. Saddam Hussein was the golden boy of US and Western Middle East diplomacy during the height of the Iranian revolution.

A new generation of leaders who are more responsive to their people may be less responsive to Western interests, not more. That’s not to say this may not be a bad development for the Arab peoples, but I doubt if it’s going to lead to better Western - Arab relations. I could be wrong.

We’ll just have to wait and see.
My sentiments as well. I thought Democrats love dictatorship?

Maybe something is up.

The muslim brotherhood has announced today that they plan to set up a political party.

Does that ring a bell?
 
The MB has been the biggest fear right along that would lead to a Dictatorship under disguise of Democracy.

With the Military placing stronger emphasis on control this could easily spin out of control for sure. Time will tell for sure.
 
The MB has been the biggest fear right along that would lead to a Dictatorship under disguise of Democracy.

With the Military placing stronger emphasis on control this could easily spin out of control for sure. Time will tell for sure.
Precisely, anarchy will set into play in the absence of despotic law and order. Religious laws will be utilized and the MB has the sharia law on its back to persuade the people in the name of islam just like this poll said.

Do I hear a landslide victory for MB come election day? You bet.

The only reasonable choice to fully constitute defiance against a Egyptian dictatorial government is to vote an outlawed opposition party. The only organized one, with links to high places, to boot.

The wind of changed may be good for the muslims, but in reality with the mindset of the dominant political party in Egypt, it may be bad for the rest of the world.
 
Have all of you heard about the sexual asslt on Lara Logan?

chicagotribune.com/entertainment/sns-rt-television-us-laralotre71e7a5-20110215,0,3471020.story

CBS reporter Lara Logan sexually assaulted in Egypt
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - CBS television correspondent Lara Logan was beaten and sexually assaulted by a mob while covering the jubilation in Cairo’s Tahrir Square on the day Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak stepped down, the U.S. broadcaster said on Tuesday.

Logan, a 39-year-old South Africa native and war correspondent, has since flown back to the United States and is recovering in hospital. She was one of dozens of journalists attacked during the three weeks of protests throughout Egypt.

CBS News said in a statement Logan was covering the celebrations for CBS’s “60 Minutes” program on February 11 when she and her team were surrounded by “a mob of more than 200 people whipped into a frenzy.”

“In the crush of the mob, she was separated from her crew. She was surrounded and suffered a brutal and sustained sexual assault and beating before being saved by a group of women and an estimated 20 Egyptian soldiers,” CBS said.

Logan made her name as a war correspondent for Britain’s GMTV during the start of the U.S.-led Afghanistan war in 2001 and subsequently reported on the war in Iraq. She joined CBS News in 2002.

The Committee to Protect Journalists, a media watchdog group, said at least 52 journalists were attacked and 76 were imprisoned during the unrest in Egypt that led Mubarak to step down after 30 years in power. All have been released, it said.

One journalist, Ahmad Mohamed Mahmoud of the Egyptian newspaper Al-Ta’awun, was killed while filming clashes near Tahrir Square, the CPJ said.
 
So far…

Libya: 140 protests massacred.
Yemen: 5 protests massacred.
Bahrain: 4 protests massacred.
 
Is it possible the Muslim world wants a gov’t caliphate to return? Like that of the Ottoman Empire? The Ottoman Empire, if no body knows, was the largest socialist state on earth at the time. Socialist ,welfare state, was the reason for its demise. Obama knows about caliphate and socialism,don’t put it past him. He knows his history. He isn’t stupid. This is all about politics with Obama. It is all about Muhammad with the Muslims because that’s what Muhammad wanted,a caliphate.
 
This is all about politics with Obama. It is all about Muhammad with the Muslims because that’s what Muhammad wanted,a caliphate.
Unfortunately the caliphate scenario will not work again, Muslims tried that in the past and if it was good it wouldn’t have demolished.

We need a secular law which respect all faiths (like the one in Lebanon, their president must be Christian, their prime minister must be a Muslim, etc…).
 
I just watched CNN journalist Fareed Zakaria interview Tarek Masoud of Harvard University, who is one of the world’s leading analysts of the Muslim Brotherhood. Masoud said that there is widespread support within the MB for the establishment of the Caliphate, and making Egypt an Islamic state. Secular parties like the Wafd don’t have the support or organizational power of the MB. The days of Zaghloul are pretty much over. Coptic acquaintances of mine living in Egypt have told me that portraits of Mubarak have been taken down from public settings, in many places replaced by calligraphy of the Islamic “shahada” (creed). The Copts know what this means… 😦 Things will likely get much, much worse before they get better. Pray for Egypt, pray for Libya, pray for Bahrain, pray for Iran…the entire Middle East needs prayers, not so that they get this or that type of government, but so that they wisely respect the human dignity of all their neighbors, regardless of what kind of government comes in place of the unpopular dictators.
 
It’s a shame that change had to be effected by a popular uprising. The dirtiest events in history always begin with democratic bosh. How democratic, free, and open was the Weimar Society, whose newsstands were filled with child pornography, and whose nightclubs were filled to the brim with prostitutes! How lovely were the fields of France when liberty reigned with her consort, the good guillotine? All rhetoric about freedom, peace, democracy, and openness is absolute rubbish. I pray that the Moslems will see the sense of installing some sort of monarch.

Polybius makes clear the cycle of political history, friends. I have no hatred for these rioters, but they remain rioters and peasants. Democracy is always the very end of the ladder. It inevitably crumbles into chaos; though the day looks clear now, it shall be bleak again soon. All this claptrap about tolerance and voting never stems human concupiscence and irascibility. We are sinners, and no amount of open ballots will change that. Praise God for authority, stability, and order; thank Satan for universal suffrage. 😦
It’s good to know I’m not the only medieval holdover around here.

The problem with democracy is that a society cannot produce a government that is any better than the values that inform that society. In the modern West, whose predominant values are materialism and hedonism and not Christianity, we have what we have. In Egypt, whatever results will be the fruit of Islam. Accordingly, I am not optimistic.
 
These people in Egypt have been very impressive. They were 100% non-violent, except when they had to defend themselves of course, and then went right back to being peaceful. The news reports that I saw today showed them back in the square cleaning up after themselves. They have been role models in my opinion. Now, my fear is who will hold this together and how it will be done in the interim period until they can establish elections or whatever government they chose to put in place. Based on their behavior to date, perhaps I shouldn’t worry. They have been amazing.

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Sufjon
They did gangrape Lara Logan and they did torch the NDP headquarters, among other violents acts. Destroying the NDP building may even have understandable, but it belies your claim that they were “100% non-violent”.
 
I just watched CNN journalist Fareed Zakaria interview Tarek Masoud of Harvard University, who is one of the world’s leading analysts of the Muslim Brotherhood. Masoud said that there is widespread support within the MB for the establishment of the Caliphate, and making Egypt an Islamic state. Secular parties like the Wafd don’t have the support or organizational power of the MB. The days of Zaghloul are pretty much over. Coptic acquaintances of mine living in Egypt have told me that portraits of Mubarak have been taken down from public settings, in many places replaced by calligraphy of the Islamic “shahada” (creed). The Copts know what this means… 😦 Things will likely get much, much worse before they get better. Pray for Egypt, pray for Libya, pray for Bahrain, pray for Iran…the entire Middle East needs prayers, not so that they get this or that type of government, but so that they wisely respect the human dignity of all their neighbors, regardless of what kind of government comes in place of the unpopular dictators.
Was all pretty predictable, wasn’t it? The MB is also claiming now they have severed all radical ties and simply want a peaceful democracy. :rolleyes:

Did you catch the news on South Korea?
 
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