THE WORD - it's God's spark in us

[BrunoMaria]

I couldn’t post this answer by mail, so here it is again:

05.February.2018 jcrichton wrote:
I think that part of the problem lies with man’s limitations… the Word …… is indeed Christ,

Let’s be careful not to speak about Jesus Christ as
jcrichton wrote: the God…

for God The Father and God the Son is One. We same wouldn’t ever dare to speak of The Father, as “the God that……"

jcrichton wrote: that existed alongside God from the Beginning…

It seems ambivalent to say Jesus was from the beginning, for Jesus had a beginning since He was begotten, when God the Father of course existed as He always existed. Language-wise, it ought to be more precise to say, that Jesus was before the beginning. Creation had a beginning; Created by God in the Holy Trinity, as Jesus was aeons before creation. God The Father had no beginning, but is eternal in both directions - past as future.

jcrichton wrote: He, the Eternal Word, is the Word.

Not really. God is. Not Jesus. Though Jesus is God in God, light from Light and true God from True God. I’m afraid in there lays a misunderstanding again. The Word is Jesus Christ when He was incarnated as a fully God and fully Human too - too here meaning also. >ALSO< as God (The Father and the Holy Trinity) is the Word; God the Father, God The Son, and God the Holy Spirit. So yes, all three beings in God’s Nature are The Word. God The Father send us Jesus Christ (who did nothing out of Himself, but just what the Father had told him John 5,30 and others) brought us THE WORD of God in the Good News.
These GOOD NEWS however, the Bible (New Testament) is not God, it’s the word of God - not God Himself.

John 1,1 however makes clear, that In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was fully God. „And the Word was fully God“ is by some Apologetics translated as: „And what God was, the Word was“.

jcrichton wrote: Yet, God’s Word is set forth from God Himself and He Declares that it will not return to Him void, but will accomplish everything that He had set the Word to do…

to be continued below:

 

[BrunoMaria]

Here lays the core of the misunderstanding; for THE WORD is not in the sense of God’s Word in the Bible or in human language, but IT’S GOD HIMSELF. Definitely NOT the word we speak or read or write.
No! It is and means according to John 1, God Himself - because it takes the word and THE WORD in capitals, both to be a human being. In creating us in His Likeness, He blew His own Spirit THE WORD into our nostrils as in some Bibles is very picturesquely worded. It’s THE WORD who gave us the word and so made us singular to all of God’s Creation; Humans who got the word and so can think and speak because we, and we only, got The Word - got language. We need language to be and exist as humans, to think, to speak, to develop and grow in spirit. Take Paul’s word 1Cor 13.11: When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child. But, when I became a man, I put away the things of a child. [12] We see now through a glass in a dark manner; but then face to face. Now I know in part; but then I shall know even as I am known. All this and a lot more THE WORD makes possible for us, and is nevert shared by any other creature.

Language then, is all the same a present God who IS The Word gave us. So is the ability to think and our self-conscience. All of this - particularly language, is not THE WORD, but just another part of it.

jcrichton wrote: clearly this characterization of the term Word of God……

Mind, that John 1,1 does never speak of the „Word of God“ - but in contrary, that God is THE WORD.

jcrichton wrote: Then there’s the meaning of the Word of God as His Bond (remember that old usage ‘word is bond’ or the shortened ‘bond?’ That’s where it comes from God’s Word is His Bond; He made His Promise to Abraham (‘my Word is Bond’ or Promise)–so here the definition is both God’s Bond and Christ Himself…

You talk here of the Word of God, but not of The Word John 1,1 rightly coined ever so clearly. All we have to do, to think and assimilate the word (in small letters) in divine terms - as the Word in capitals, which in all Translations is written in capitals, for it refers to God - not to God’s word, but to God Himself.

jcrichton wrote: I could go on… yeah it is confusing…

Well, we all could go on and walk endless into the wilderness of misunderstandings, which then harden in our conception like Lot’s wife who grew stiff in a pillar of salt.
And no - its nor at all confusing, if we don’t confuse it - like confusing THE WORD John 1,1, speaks of. Jon’s first word here, and John’s last word in His Revelation, are a full New Covenant apart from each other, but alike The Word and the word as language, closely related, as both originates in God.

Yours
Bruno

 

[BrunoMaria]

Of course Jesus is God’s incarnated Word, which came into the world, and gave us God’s Word. But this WORD is the Word from the Father Who is THE WORD?

It’s like a King to sends his son to announce the king’s word. In that case, The King’s Son is the Word that must be obeyed - though one obeys the King - not the King’s Son, who just represents the King and is One with the King, as long as he is in charge of the King’s word.
Jesus emphasized, that He does not speak out of Himself, but says what the Father has told Him.
As long as we are humans with our limited comprehension, it’s perfectly all-right to see the full God in Jesus Christ - ever more so, as Christ said; he who saw Me has seen The Father.
No harm done - no sin, no wrong. Firstly as Christ said THE FATHER AND I IS ONE - and secondly: Christ is in possession of all power in heaven and on earth, which the Father handed to Him. Mt 11,27 - John 5,19 - John 8,38 - John 13,3 - Mt 28,18 and others. This complete might and power He will lay back into the Hands of The Father, after Last Judgement. But then as now, Jesus is God in God, and yes, even The Word in it’s Incarnation, for it’s the Father’s Word.

However; whilst Last Judgement is going on, Jesus Christ is The One who will judge with all power in Heaven as on Earth.
When this will be however, Jesus doesn’t know, as he told several times - such in Acts 1,7, as in Mt 24,36-38 “But as for that day and hour no one knows it – not even the angels in heaven – except the Father alone. ……………… It will be the same at the coming of the Son of Man. Mt 24,40; Then there will be two men in the field; one will be taken and one left.

A friend of mine asked:
"The Word became flesh and dwelt amongst us“ God is Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
But cannot the Son be the Word?

He can and He is, as Jesus said: THE FATHER AND I IS ONE.

Yours
Bruno