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Because of another thread I became curious as to the origin of, and change in, usage of the term “uniate”. To the best of my recollection it was kind of a “badge of identity” and used with no pejorative meaning until sometime post Vatican Council.
Alex Roman (Ukranian Catholic) provides background on this and when it changed at:
unicorne.org/orthodoxy/articles/alex_roman/useoftheword.htm
I then inquired of someone far more knowledgable than myself and the information I have received is as follows:
The term “Unia” was adopted by Rome in the 16th century and it was worn with pride by all those Orthodox especially in the
Ukraine (where the majority reside) and in Poland who became Catholic while retaining their Orthodox rites.
Likewise the term “Uniate” was an official term which Rome applied to all such people, and they themselves wore it with pride so to now say the Orthodox created these terms in order to be
offensive seems not only a bit unfair but not historically accurate.
Up until the 1960s ALL Vatican documents use “Unia” and “Uniate” and , less frequently “Greek Catholic”, (even if is not to “Greeks” they are referring but to Ukrainians and other nationalities.) So these terms have a currency within the Catholic Church of about 500 years.
Reading Vatican documents and Catholic magazines more than 40 years old will bear this out. Example documents between Archbishop Ireland and Alexis Toth both of whom
use these terms freely in their correspondence with one another.
I additionally found this link which Fr. Ambrose provided in one of his earlier postings:
Alexis Toth and the Uniate Return to Orthodoxy
oca.org/pages/orth_chri/…rsion.html#toth
where the term was obviously being used in a non pejorative way.
I wondered about why the word after being used for centuries became “outre” (the oly reason I could find was the one offered by Alex Roman) – as an example when the Irish came here in great numbers the pejorative term “mackerel snappers” was applied to them, by the seond generation Irish, it was being used by them laughingly to describe themselves and lost its original pejorative.
Does anyone here have any additional information?
Alex Roman (Ukranian Catholic) provides background on this and when it changed at:
unicorne.org/orthodoxy/articles/alex_roman/useoftheword.htm
I then inquired of someone far more knowledgable than myself and the information I have received is as follows:
The term “Unia” was adopted by Rome in the 16th century and it was worn with pride by all those Orthodox especially in the
Ukraine (where the majority reside) and in Poland who became Catholic while retaining their Orthodox rites.
Likewise the term “Uniate” was an official term which Rome applied to all such people, and they themselves wore it with pride so to now say the Orthodox created these terms in order to be
offensive seems not only a bit unfair but not historically accurate.
Up until the 1960s ALL Vatican documents use “Unia” and “Uniate” and , less frequently “Greek Catholic”, (even if is not to “Greeks” they are referring but to Ukrainians and other nationalities.) So these terms have a currency within the Catholic Church of about 500 years.
Reading Vatican documents and Catholic magazines more than 40 years old will bear this out. Example documents between Archbishop Ireland and Alexis Toth both of whom
use these terms freely in their correspondence with one another.
I additionally found this link which Fr. Ambrose provided in one of his earlier postings:
Alexis Toth and the Uniate Return to Orthodoxy
oca.org/pages/orth_chri/…rsion.html#toth
where the term was obviously being used in a non pejorative way.
I wondered about why the word after being used for centuries became “outre” (the oly reason I could find was the one offered by Alex Roman) – as an example when the Irish came here in great numbers the pejorative term “mackerel snappers” was applied to them, by the seond generation Irish, it was being used by them laughingly to describe themselves and lost its original pejorative.
Does anyone here have any additional information?