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theMadJW
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Trinitarians ONLY focus on “was”, ignoring all the context of verse, chapter and book!
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twf
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The Word, Christ, was with God the Father.
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theMadJW
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Very Good!
God was NOT with ANOTHER God.
Where is the ‘Holy Ghost’?
God was NOT with ANOTHER God.
Where is the ‘Holy Ghost’?
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twf
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He was there as well. John 1:1 primarily refers to the Father and the Son. We have to look elsewhere for explicit references to God the Holy Spirit.
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Thom18
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Huh?In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God; all things were made through him, and without him was not anything made that was made. In him was life, and the life was the light of men. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it. There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. He came for testimony, to bear witness to the light, that all might believe through him. He was not the light, but came to bear witness to the light.
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And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth; we have beheld his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father.
This is the book of John, chapter 1, verses 1-8, 14. In it, the author described how the Word was in the beginning, was with God, and was God. Then they tell us how the Word (God) took on flesh and dwelt among us. John the Baptist denies that this is himself, insisting that he only came to bear witness to the light, which is Christ.
If your only problem is that we focus on the word “was”, don’t worry! We don’t only believe that Jesus was in the beginning, and was with God, and was God, but also that He is in the beginning, He is with God, and He is God. And He will be forever.
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theMadJW
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Notice-
1- The Word was WITH God. Not ANOTHER God.
2- All things were made THROUGH him.
3- He is the son of GOD, not the opposite: ‘God-the-Son’
And REMEMBER- Jesus was taught, sent, and rewarded by God- not ‘Himself’ or Two Other Gods.
1- The Word was WITH God. Not ANOTHER God.
2- All things were made THROUGH him.
3- He is the son of GOD, not the opposite: ‘God-the-Son’
And REMEMBER- Jesus was taught, sent, and rewarded by God- not ‘Himself’ or Two Other Gods.
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Thom18
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Your error is your insistence that there “would be” more than one God. That’s not what the Trinity is about at all. It’s the belief in one God in three divine persons. They are all God, they are not all gods.
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adf417
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:+1:t3: very Trinitarian view.
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whyeyeman
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How can all things have been made through him if he was himself made?
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Thom18
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Good point. Take this: 
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End_Timer
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I be thinkin JW stands 4 Jehovahs Witness.
If we convince U of the truth of the Triune God
you’ll hafta leave the JW’s. Are you willing ?
If we convince U of the truth of the Triune God
you’ll hafta leave the JW’s. Are you willing ?
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Benadam
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If I could say " I always was" I’d be God too… There would be four of us…
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TheOldColonel
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The Logos of John is the Son of God. He is the Word who abides with God the Father before the creation as one in essence and nature. He is spoken by the Father, begotten from all eternity, yet distinct personally. He is the revealer of God’s hidden being, the Holy Spirit, made visible through the Incarnation. Indeed, He is conceived of the Holy Spirit by the Father to become His manifestation to all the world. He made all things, proceeding personally from God the Father for the accomplishment of the act of creation. He became man in the person of Jesus Christ, to accomplishing the redemption of His creation.
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theMadJW
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He was made/born/created by God FIRST (“only-begotten”, “son”,firstborn of all creation", “beginning of the creation of God”) after which God made all other things THROUGH him.
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Hereiam
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He (the Word) existed with God and was not born or created (“begotten, not made; consubstantial with the Father”). The Word was only born as a means of the incarnation, but already existed as the second person of God.
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adf417
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You have free will to add the word “other” if you wish. But know that is your issue not ours. Your previous versions of this scripture were quite sufficent.
Peace!!!
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ajfrab
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You fixate on “The Word was With God” and conveniently ignore “The Word WAS God”. Not another God. But the same God.
At the end of the Gospel of Matthew, when the great commission was given to the apostles, they were instructed to baptize all “in the Name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit”. Not the names, but the singular Name, the Name of God.
And in Genesis 1:26 it says “Then God said: Let us make* human beings in our image” One God (singular) says let us (plural) make in our (again plural) image.
And finally, the Holy Spirit was also present at the creation. Genesis 1:2 tells us the “Spirit of God was hovering over the waters”.
I notice the JW’s no longer focus on their prediction that the end of the world would come before the generation born in 1914 passed away. But that still doesn’t change the fact it was part of your “dogma”. Charles Russel did you no favor with that one. It was a really featured teaching back in the last century, but time is running out now. Perhaps the JW’s hope that that memory of that teaching will fade into oblivion, but there are many of us who remember it and know it is the prediction of a false prophet.
theMadJW
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Notice-
1- The Word was WITH God. Not ANOTHER God.
At the end of the Gospel of Matthew, when the great commission was given to the apostles, they were instructed to baptize all “in the Name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit”. Not the names, but the singular Name, the Name of God.
And in Genesis 1:26 it says “Then God said: Let us make* human beings in our image” One God (singular) says let us (plural) make in our (again plural) image.
And finally, the Holy Spirit was also present at the creation. Genesis 1:2 tells us the “Spirit of God was hovering over the waters”.
I notice the JW’s no longer focus on their prediction that the end of the world would come before the generation born in 1914 passed away. But that still doesn’t change the fact it was part of your “dogma”. Charles Russel did you no favor with that one. It was a really featured teaching back in the last century, but time is running out now. Perhaps the JW’s hope that that memory of that teaching will fade into oblivion, but there are many of us who remember it and know it is the prediction of a false prophet.
theMadJW
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Notice-
1- The Word was WITH God. Not ANOTHER God.
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whyeyeman
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That’s not “all things” then, is it. That all of things except…
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theMadJW
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“You fixate on “The Word was With God” and conveniently ignore “The Word WAS God”. Not another God. But the same God.”
Ex 7;1- And Jehovah said to Moses, See, I have made thee God to Pharaoh; and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.
(No caps, “like”, “a” or “as” in the Biblical Hebrew)
Heb 3:1- Therefore, holy brothers and sisters,
who share in the heavenly calling, fix your thoughts
on Jesus, whom we acknowledge as our apostle and
high priest. 2- He was faithful to the One who
appointed him, just as Moses was faithful in all
God’s house.
Ex 7;1- And Jehovah said to Moses, See, I have made thee God to Pharaoh; and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.
(No caps, “like”, “a” or “as” in the Biblical Hebrew)
Heb 3:1- Therefore, holy brothers and sisters,
who share in the heavenly calling, fix your thoughts
on Jesus, whom we acknowledge as our apostle and
high priest. 2- He was faithful to the One who
appointed him, just as Moses was faithful in all
God’s house.
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