The Word

[Godhead]

In the beginning was the word and the word was with God, and the word was God, right?

You’re telling me that in the beginning the word contained the word “devil”, right?

So being the word, God had foreknowledge of the devil? And Jesus says that the devil was a liar and a murderer from the beginning, according to the word of God, right?

God knowing that the devil existed in the word went off and created the devil anyways, knowing that according to the word the devil was a liar and a murderer from the beginning.

So, since the word contained the concept of devil, God had to create the devil “so all things may be fulfilled,” according to the word of God.

So basicly God had a dream, a vision and this vision was called the word of God or his plan for creation.

In other words, had the word of God not contained the word “devil” then perhaps the devil would have never been created, thus all evil would cease to exist, since the devil is the root of all evil.

Now, if the devil is the root of all evil then if we examine this further we could say that God is the root of the devil since the word of God contained the word “devil”, right? Didn’t God create the devil, knowing full-well that he would be the devil? Thus God is the root of the devil. Is not the devil the root of sin? Now, in logical reasoning if the devil is the root of sin and God is the root of the devil then through logic, God becomes the root of sin.

My question is, God, he is your friend?

 

[thistle]

In the beginning was the word and the word was with God, and the word was God, right?

You’re telling me that in the beginning the word contained the word “devil”, right?

So being the word, God had foreknowledge of the devil? And Jesus says that the devil was a liar and a murderer from the beginning, according to the word of God, right?

God knowing that the devil existed in the word went off and created the devil anyways, knowing that according to the word the devil was a liar and a murderer from the beginning.

So, since the word contained the concept of devil, God had to create the devil “so all things may be fulfilled,” according to the word of God.

So basicly God had a dream, a vision and this vision was called the word of God or his plan for creation.

In other words, had the word of God not contained the word “devil” then perhaps the devil would have never been created, thus all evil would cease to exist, since the devil is the root of all evil.

Now, if the devil is the root of all evil then if we examine this further we could say that God is the root of the devil since the word of God contained the word “devil”, right? Didn’t God create the devil, knowing full-well that he would be the devil? Thus God is the root of the devil. Is not the devil the root of sin? Now, in logical reasoning if the devil is the root of sin and God is the root of the devil then through logic, God becomes the root of sin.

My question is, God, he is your friend?

Are you simply a Catholic hater or are you insane???

 

[rciadan]

Are you simply a Catholic hater or are you insane???

Not a very charitable answer, Thistle.
I believe “Godhead” is niether of these. He is simply using logic. His/her problem is in the failure to carry that logic through to completion.
The answer Godhead, BTW, is yes, God is our friend. He created us so that we could learn to know Him, to Love Him, and to one day be with Him in paradise forever.
The only way this could be done with certaintly is to have the option of loving some-one or something else other than Him. Therefore He created other things and yes, even Satan, so that we would have a choice: so that if we choose Him it is a true choice made freely to Love and serve HIm and not just a robotic reaction to “programming”.

 

[thistle]

Not a very charitable answer, Thistle.
I believe “Godhead” is niether of these. He is simply using logic. His/her problem is in the failure to carry that logic through to completion.
The answer Godhead, BTW, is yes, God is our friend. He created us so that we could learn to know Him, to Love Him, and to one day be with Him in paradise forever.
The only way this could be done with certaintly is to have the option of loving some-one or something else other than Him. Therefore He created other things and yes, even Satan, so that we would have a choice: so that if we choose Him it is a true choice made freely to Love and serve HIm and not just a robotic reaction to “programming”.

Whether its charitable or not is not for you to judge. Its an honest comment on pretty stupid logic by the OP trying to imply God is the root of all evil.
Check out his other threads. His common theme is to rubbish God and I take great exception to that.

 

[jamannor]

Whether its charitable or not is not for you to judge. Its an honest comment on pretty stupid logic by the OP trying to imply God is the root of all evil.
Check out his other threads. His common theme is to rubbish God and I take great exception to that.

In rciadan’s defense being non polite is everyone’s business on this forum since it a breach in forum rules, even if you were being honest. I’m sorry, calling someone stupid or insane is highly (name removed by moderator)olite. Also you can imagine if we all go around attacking views of people who don’t agree with us, we turn into the people we don’t want to be. People who attack Catholic beliefs get a kick out of getting under our feathers. Remember Jesus told us to love. Use these opportunites to pray for and evangilize the posters who don’t agree with you. Peace with you.

Jerry

 

[melandave]

In the beginning was the word and the word was with God, and the word was God, right?

You’re telling me that in the beginning the word contained the word “devil”, right?

So being the word, God had foreknowledge of the devil? And Jesus says that the devil was a liar and a murderer from the beginning, according to the word of God, right?

God knowing that the devil existed in the word went off and created the devil anyways, knowing that according to the word the devil was a liar and a murderer from the beginning.

So, since the word contained the concept of devil, God had to create the devil “so all things may be fulfilled,” according to the word of God.

So basicly God had a dream, a vision and this vision was called the word of God or his plan for creation.

In other words, had the word of God not contained the word “devil” then perhaps the devil would have never been created, thus all evil would cease to exist, since the devil is the root of all evil.

Now, if the devil is the root of all evil then if we examine this further we could say that God is the root of the devil since the word of God contained the word “devil”, right? Didn’t God create the devil, knowing full-well that he would be the devil? Thus God is the root of the devil. Is not the devil the root of sin? Now, in logical reasoning if the devil is the root of sin and God is the root of the devil then through logic, God becomes the root of sin.

My question is, God, he is your friend?

You hold a great misunderstanding of this Gospel. This is St John’s first gospel. St John Chapter 1.

"In in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. …He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not… He came unto his own and his own received him not. … and the word was made flesh and dwelt among us.

The WORD, is Jesus. when you re-read the passage it makes sense…

I don’t understand any of the further comments as it is based on error.

My advice to everyone; if you want to know about Catholic faith - ask a catholic. Believing other denominations teachings about the Catholic faith are misconstrued errors. The Catholic should know their faith, and if they can’t answer it, they sure can find out the correct information. They will not damn their own church…

 

[mdcpensive1]

The use of logic is good only to the extent that it is logical. The flaw in the logic is that God created things that were good, not bad. He also gave free will because if we (and the angels) did not have it, then we would not be free to choose to be something bad. The turning to something bad is not of God. It is our own will over that of God. Therefore the premise of God creating something bad is wrong and if the premise is wrong, the rest of the “logic” is flawed in the resulting explanation. We cannot say that God is the source of evil even though He allows it. Satan is out to destroy the Church. Christ has the victory now since the Resurrection. Therefore, even though there is evil, Christ will use it in His plan of salvation (Rom 8:28).

mdcpensive1

 

[Nita]

Hello Godhead,

You have touched on something that is probably hard for every thinking person to understand - the mystery of evil; how a good God can allow evil.

You are right in concluding that God created Lucifer (as a good angel) even tho He foreknew Lucifer would reject Him and become evil. We do not know why He still created Him. Neither do we know why God created man (again good) knowing Adam would sin, and that thru the ages some of his descendants would reject Him right up to and thru death.

What we do know is that God IS good; that He can use all things (even evil!!) for good; that we can trust Him even when we don’t understand all the why’s and how’s.

Nita

 

[teachccd]

Godhead, It boils down to free-will. You are correct in that within the Godhead nothing can be added or taken away. God is complete in and of Himself. His creation was a way for Him to mirror His infinite love (of which He is) with His creatures. Now how do we respond to that love? Well without free will we would all have been designed to robotically mirror that love back. And even though the free-will of God is infinite goodness, without free-will we would not be made in the image and likeness of God. Our free-will is extremely limited so we turn away from God daily. But before God created us He created the angels with a far more superior intelligence and will than ours. So when the first angel rejected God and fell the concept of evil began. Remember evil is not created. It is a consequence of the turning away from God. So while God knew that His creatures would turn away and the consequence would be evil He allows this so that our freedom is not hindered. That is why when I tell God how much I love Him He knows the love that He gives is mirrored back as much as humanly possible. When I tell God that I have my own way and turn from Him, He knows that my love waned and that that would result in grave consequences, not only between myself and God but to others. This is evil.

God did not create evil because evil is a consequence and consequences are not created. I hope that this helps and I know that God is my friend because without Him I would not have the opportunity to take my next breath nor would you…God Bless…teachccd

 

[melandave]

The use of logic is good only to the extent that it is logical. The flaw in the logic is that God created things that were good, not bad. He also gave free will because if we (and the angels) did not have it, then we would not be free to choose to be something bad. The turning to something bad is not of God. It is our own will over that of God. Therefore the premise of God creating something bad is wrong and if the premise is wrong, the rest of the “logic” is flawed in the resulting explanation. We cannot say that God is the source of evil even though He allows it. Satan is out to destroy the Church. Christ has the victory now since the Resurrection. Therefore, even though there is evil, Christ will use it in His plan of salvation (Rom 8:28).

mdcpensive1

I agree with you, but Christ had the victory since his Crucifixion. When he died on the Cross, that is when he won the victory.
God bless, Melanie

 

[paarsurrey]

Not a very charitable answer, Thistle.
I believe “Godhead” is niether of these. He is simply using logic. His/her problem is in the failure to carry that logic through to completion.

I agree with you. These things should be clarified with love and reason, that is the teaching.
Well as I understand from the Word is that there was nothing, only GodAllahYHWH knows what was or what was not. When GodAllahYHWH said the word “be” the process of everything inanimate, animate,botanical, animals and humans started taking shape not in a day or six days or seven days but in billions and millions years as per His design for everything when He said the word “be”. Everything started evolving as per the intelligent design set in motion by GodAllahYHWH. A time came when He chose Adam from his tribe, (he was naturally married then with Eve) and He chose Adam and selected him as the ProphetMessenger of his people and He talked to him lovingly, a very blessed occasion for the human beigs. I praise GodAllahYHWH, the creator of the Universe and all what is within it.
Thanks
I am an Ahmadi - a peaceful fatih in Islaim bridging gaps between faiths/denominations/religions/agnostics

 

[Daniel_Marsh]

Godhead is simply a confused person who does not understand the differance between pre-existence and pre-knowledge.