The words of Luther himself regarding the Papacy

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spedteacherita said:
Do you suppose there will be a time when Luther can be forgiven?

As Casilda stated:

That was almost 500 years ago and, at some point, you need to let go. I appreciate that Casilda stated she would pray for his soul - let’s go on and build the “invisible church” by discussing our differences now.

God bless all!

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Luther was a great man and a great Christian. The conflict was 500 years and it was a tragic, tragic split. Both sides sinned; both sides made mistakes.

As for letting go of the resentment - for my part I can’t let go of something I never embraced and never will. 😉

God bless. And, yes, let’s heal the Body of Christ.

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FollowChrist34 said:
Luther was a great man and a great Christian. The conflict was 500 years and it was a tragic, tragic split. Both sides sinned; both sides made mistakes.

As for letting go of the resentment - for my part I can’t let go of something I never embraced and never will. 😉

God bless. And, yes, let’s heal the Body of Christ.

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FollowChrist34 said:
Luther was a great man and a great Christian. The conflict was 500 years and it was a tragic, tragic split. Both sides sinned; both sides made mistakes.

As for letting go of the resentment - for my part I can’t let go of something I never embraced and never will. 😉

God bless. And, yes, let’s heal the Body of Christ.

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Given his writings etc…there will be some that dispute the praise, but should that matter?
He was a child of God just like all of us. A real human being with sins and good points. That’s not to suggest indifference, but an appeal to think and hope the best for someone. I hope he’s in heaven.

Sometimes the greater sin might be (I don’t really know) on the part of those who drive others to protest by their own sins within the Church.

"To whom much is given much is expected. "
 
FollowChrist34 said:
I think it is shameful because using terms like “heretic” against other non-Catholic Christians in 2016 is divisive. Compare this to Pope Francis:

Is he calling Martin Luther a heretic here?
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It is a matter of fact, even if Pope Francis is not mentioning it.

The definitive excommunication of Martin Luther was by the Bull Decet Romanum Pontificem, January 3, 1521.

"Nevertheless Martin himself …

He has now been declared a heretic; and so also others, whatever their authority and rank, who have cared nought of their own salvation but publicly and in all men’s eyes become followers of Martin’s pernicious and heretical sect, and given him openly and publicly their help, counsel and favour, encouraging him in their midst in his disobedience and obstinacy, or hindering the publication of our said missive: such men have incurred the punishments set out in that missive, and are to be treated rightfully as heretics and avoided by all faithful Christians, as the Apostle says (Titus iii. 10-11)."

papalencyclicals.net/Leo10/l10decet.htm
 
FollowChrist34 said:
Agreed - and we are talking about the same comment:
And I am on the right thread - no confusion. Here is the OP:

So our overriding theme here is Luther’s “disdain” for his Holy Mother Church and the Vican of Christ, his rejection of same and his acts of heresy. (identified above as such)
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Ok. Perhaps it is a semantics issue. “Heresy is the obstinate post-baptismal denial of some truth which must be believed with divine and catholic faith, or it is likewise an obstinate doubt concerning the same; apostasy is the total repudiation of the Christian faith; schism is the refusal of submission to the Roman Pontiff or of communion with the members of the Church subject to him.”

For the record, I disagree with the OP that Luther had disdain for Holy Mother Church. I think he disdained practices, and the authorities who, from his point of view, discredited themselves by their behavior. His feelings about the importance nad sanctity of the Church continued to be strong.
FollowChrist34 said:
Somewhere in here is a great comment by a different poster about how this thread theme is “starting a fire and watching others dance around it.”

And so here we dance…I stand by my comment that this “fire” is, in my mind, shameful, in the context of Pope Francis’ commitment to Christian unity and healing division.
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Luther and the Reformation are favorite topics of mine, and it is true that fires get started on many threads over these topics.

I do not see any thing shameful that has been said on this thread. It is not shameful to admit and accept the truth. In fact, if we cannot admit and accept the truth, commitment to Christian Unity is just a farce, and divisions will not be healed.
 
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