The Wrath of God on the RCC in Haiti

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This is the title on one of the threads on a very anti Catholic site. They say that God killed all these poor people in Haiti because of the Catholics there. It is all our fault and that this is the judgement from God.

I wonder how they explain all the protestants over there who also died. If someone in their families or several get killed in an automobile accident or other disaster is that the judgement of God on them being protestant?

It is so ridiculous that sometimes reading their posts make a person sick. Actually every bad thing that happens in this world they blame on the Catholic Church.

How do the non Catholics on CAF respond to threads like this? Does anyone here agree with these opinions? If you do can you state your reasons.

I believe that this world is not of God in the sense of weather or other terrible crisis, after the fall I feel that God has given free reign over the earth to us and nature. Of course He does intercede at times, but I don’t believe God punishes us with natural disasters. We will all be accountable for our actions or non actions when our soul leaves our bodies.

Suffering is part of life. Jesus Christ suffered the ultimate suffering for the sake of the whole world. Do these people also feel He was being punished, if you use their logic I guess so. Because if you don’t agree with their beliefs you will be punished by God.

I just wondered how others on CAF would respond to these posters. I only lurk, don’t have the courage or fortitude to post. Sometimes I get a good laugh at their ignorance, but I also actually feel sick at some of their accusations against the Church and anyone who doesn’t agree with them.

Yours in the Hearts of Jesus and Mary

Bernadette
 
I figured it was a CARM thread, so I checked, and I was right. Ignore these people. The logic doesn’t make any sense at all. As one poster said in the thread (I believe he is a priest): “So how do you explain hurricanes hitting the Bible belt?”.
 
BernadetteM said:
This is the title on one of the threads on a very anti Catholic site. They say that God killed all these poor people in Haiti because of the Catholics there. It is all our fault and that this is the judgement from God.

I wonder how they explain all the protestants over there who also died. If someone in their families or several get killed in an automobile accident or other disaster is that the judgement of God on them being protestant?

It is so ridiculous that sometimes reading their posts make a person sick. Actually every bad thing that happens in this world they blame on the Catholic Church.

How do the non Catholics on CAF respond to threads like this? Does anyone here agree with these opinions? If you do can you state your reasons.

I believe that this world is not of God in the sense of weather or other terrible crisis, after the fall I feel that God has given free reign over the earth to us and nature. Of course He does intercede at times, but I don’t believe God punishes us with natural disasters. We will all be accountable for our actions or non actions when our soul leaves our bodies.

Suffering is part of life. Jesus Christ suffered the ultimate suffering for the sake of the whole world. Do these people also feel He was being punished, if you use their logic I guess so. Because if you don’t agree with their beliefs you will be punished by God.

I just wondered how others on CAF would respond to these posters. I only lurk, don’t have the courage or fortitude to post. Sometimes I get a good laugh at their ignorance, but I also actually feel sick at some of their accusations against the Church and anyone who doesn’t agree with them.

Yours in the Hearts of Jesus and Mary

Bernadette
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These people don’t know what they are talking about. The spout off at the mouth because of ignorance. Its like Hugo Chavez saying that its the U.S. Navy that caused this with some secret weapon. People who say things like this have no compassion in their lives for those who are suffering and dead. They have no compassion for the children who lost their parents. These kind of people make me sick. I could say more but it would not be
Christian like and it would not be something a Minister should say.
 
Using that logic, one has to ask if the Jim Jones incident in Guyana was God’s wrath on Protestants?

That type logic is the ‘speak’ of opportunists looking for another way to justify their own ‘beliefs’ as superior. The irony is that they were all ‘Bible only authority’ believers. Where in the New Testament does Christ tell us of God’s wrath on anyone? He prayed for forgivness of His own persecutors. Their message lacks love or truth. Those who spread a message lacking truth seem to be bearing false witness…🤷
 
I feel he in fact, intervenes for us often, we don’t see what he has done for us so don’t give him credit because we simply don’t know, just have faith that things could be far, far worse.

Natural disasters are always going to happen, it’s absolutely mans problem for not being prepared to handle them. We chase after riches and trivial pursuits and ignore that there will be pending doom to every square inch of the planet, at one point in time in the future. The volume of damage that happened in Haiti could have been completely avoided if we only had proper planning with the buildings and infrastructure established there in the first place. We clearly didn’t and people died in the process. The question is, do we learn from this mistake, or do we blindly move forward, hoping it doesn’t happen again, or worse, as with the original topic blaming it on God’s wrath.

Take into account here, when ever God has shown his wrath, doesn’t it always precede with a warning? Where was our warning, well, we didn’t have one, so if that’s the case, it’s clearly not his wrath at all, much less against specific peoples IMHO.
 
I think natural disasters in general are a result of Adam giving the rule of the world to
Satan.
19* For the creation waits with eager longing for the revealing of the sons of God; 20* for the creation was subjected to futility, not of its own will but by the will of him who subjected it in hope; 21* because the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to decay and obtain the glorious liberty of the children of God. 22* We know that the whole creation has been groaning in travail together until now; 23* and not only the creation, but we ourselves, who have the first fruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait for adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies.
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Romans 8:19-23 So maybe they are right. Just wish they would make it clear that it is their god, not our God, who did it to eliminate the Catholic community, :rolleyes:
 
“…‘Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?’ Jesus answered, ‘It was not that this man sinned, or his parents, but that the works of God might be made manifest…’” from John 9:2-3

Maybe it’s a reminder that we all need each other. Maybe it just happened. But if I were God, and I were picking a Catholic place to mess with so I could punish them for being Catholic,* I would be kinder than to pick Haiti, which already has enough problems. If I (who am a humble mortal sinner) would have pity on Haiti, I really can’t imagine that God would not.

–Jen
  • That is assuming that I granted either of their premises, which I don’t:
    1. God punishes people He doesn’t like by sending them natural disasters
    2. God doesn’t like Catholics
 
for one thing, isn’t Haiti famous for their voodoo stuff? while many people are Catholics and may go regularly to church, they also still believe in superstition. if one is to believe that the natural calamity is a result of God’s Wrath, its just further proof that branding yourself as a certain religion but not committing yourself to the fullness of the faith doesn’t automatically save you. not just because you call yourself Christian then you are saved. you still have to follow Jesus, to the word, to the letter, of ALL His commandments
 
I had briefly heard in earshot in passing by a news report last Sun of lots of preaching there about how God was punishing them. I was appalled and had wondered if it was Catholic conservative preaching or Prot.
 
choy said:
for one thing, isn’t Haiti famous for their voodoo stuff? while many people are Catholics and may go regularly to church, they also still believe in superstition. if one is to believe that the natural calamity is a result of God’s Wrath, its just further proof that branding yourself as a certain religion but not committing yourself to the fullness of the faith doesn’t automatically save you. not just because you call yourself Christian then you are saved. you still have to follow Jesus, to the word, to the letter, of ALL His commandments
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I’m unclear how you can corelate whether an earthquake determines whether you or I or a Haitian is automatically assured eternal salvation. But I don’t understand? So you are saying you believe it was God’s wrath due to superstitions?
 
Luke 13
Repent or Perish
1 There were present at that season some who told Him about the Galileans whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices. 2 And Jesus answered and said to them, “Do you suppose that these Galileans were worse sinners than all other Galileans, because they suffered such things? 3 I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish. 4 Or those eighteen on whom the tower in Siloam fell and killed them, do you think that they were worse sinners than all other men who dwelt in Jerusalem? 5 I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish.”

**Present application:

Do you think the Haitians who perished in the earthquake were the worst sinners in Haiti, or even the world?

I tell you, they were not. But if YOU don’t repent, whoever you are, YOU will likewise perish.**
 
CMatt25 said:
I’m unclear how you can corelate whether an earthquake determines whether you or I or a Haitian is automatically assured eternal salvation. But I don’t understand? So you are saying you believe it was God’s wrath due to superstitions?
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i personally don’t believe it was God’s punishment. earthquakes happen all the time and its just part of what the earth does naturally

but for those who does, they point out that Haiti is mostly Catholic, so they’re alluding that God is punishing the people for being Catholics. my point here is, sure they’re Catholic but are they good Catholics? so for someone who thinks that its God’s punishment, have they stopped and thought about what the people are actually doing to please or displease God rather than just say they’re Catholics and they should either be saved or punished.

and my point about the branding was, some people think just because they’re branded as a certain Christian, then they’re saved. salvation doesn’t come from just being called Catholic or Baptist or Anglican or whatever. salvataion comes from living out your faith to the fullest, assuming of course that the faith you have is indeed consistent with the teachings of Jesus Christ.
 
Some people tend to be paranoid and because of it can’t realistically look at any given situation w/o paranoia. They make no sense, and cant see a bigger picture

CARM has many people who seem to struggle under that very real kind of mind-set.
Have some compassion with people like that. Paranoia thinking like that is a mind disease. A very real one.
 
choy said:
i personally don’t believe it was God’s punishment. earthquakes happen all the time and its just part of what the earth does naturally

but for those who does, they point out that Haiti is mostly Catholic, so they’re alluding that God is punishing the people for being Catholics. my point here is, sure they’re Catholic but are they good Catholics? so for someone who thinks that its God’s punishment, have they stopped and thought about what the people are actually doing to please or displease God rather than just say they’re Catholics and they should either be saved or punished.

and my point about the branding was, some people think just because they’re branded as a certain Christian, then they’re saved. salvation doesn’t come from just being called Catholic or Baptist or Anglican or whatever. salvataion comes from living out your faith to the fullest, assuming of course that the faith you have is indeed consistent with the teachings of Jesus Christ.
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It sounds like you might be saying only “good” Catholics get automatic assurance. Ok thanks.
 
CMatt25 said:
It sounds like you might be saying only “good” Catholics get automatic assurance. Ok thanks.
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i never said that

i’m saying that some people are making quick assumptions on the situation, and then making another quick conclusion to the assumption

this is what is being stated (not by me)

assumption 1: Haiti’s quake is God’s wrath
fact 1: Haiti is mostly Catholics
quick conclusion: God is punishing Haiti because they’re mostly Catholics, therefore Catholics are evil

i’m just questioning that line of thought. if God is indeed punishing Haiti, which I DO NOT BELIEVE, why just limit it to the fact that because they’re mostly Catholics? they’re limiting God’s judgement based on what religion the people have, never mind if they’re good people or not. so a more fair conclusion if one is to go with the God’s wrath idea is to say that perhaps many of them are sinners, regardless of what religion they belong to.
 
choy said:
i never said that

i’m saying that some people are making quick assumptions on the situation, and then making another quick conclusion to the assumption

this is what is being stated (not by me)

assumption 1: Haiti’s quake is God’s wrath
fact 1: Haiti is mostly Catholics
quick conclusion: God is punishing Haiti because they’re mostly Catholics, therefore Catholics are evil

i’m just questioning that line of thought. if God is indeed punishing Haiti, which I DO NOT BELIEVE, why just limit it to the fact that because they’re mostly Catholics? they’re limiting God’s judgement based on what religion the people have, never mind if they’re good people or not. so a more fair conclusion if one is to go with the God’s wrath idea is to say that perhaps many of them are sinners, regardless of what religion they belong to.
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Ok got it. Sorry for my misunderstnding. When you said, “salvation doesn’t come from just being called Catholic or Baptist or Anglican or whatever. salvation comes from living out your faith to the fullest, assuming of course that the faith you have is indeed consistent with the teachings of Jesus Christ”… I mistakenly took that to mean you were equating only “good” Catholics with Christ. I get paranoid sometimes due to the stands of some other Catholics. 🙂 My apologies for what I assumed. God bless.
 
CMatt25 said:
Ok got it. Sorry for my misunderstnding. When you said, “salvation doesn’t come from just being called Catholic or Baptist or Anglican or whatever. salvation comes from living out your faith to the fullest, assuming of course that the faith you have is indeed consistent with the teachings of Jesus Christ”… I mistakenly took that to mean you were equating only “good” Catholics with Christ. I get paranoid sometimes due to the stands of some other Catholics. 🙂 My apologies for what I assumed. God bless.
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i can assure you that my stand on it is that its God’s call who ultimately enters heaven. what we have in the Catholic Church gives us the best chances, but nothing is guaranteed. only the Judge knows for sure.

i did mention that the consistency of the faith is importante because there are many out there who calls themselves Christians but their faith is not consistent with what Jesus taught. they allow divorces, abortions, etc.
 
choy said:
i can assure you that my stand on it is that its God’s call who ultimately enters heaven. what we have in the Catholic Church gives us the best chances, but nothing is guaranteed. only the Judge knows for sure.

i did mention that the consistency of the faith is importante because there are many out there who calls themselves Christians but their faith is not consistent with what Jesus taught. they allow divorces, abortions, etc.
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on God’s call :amen:

Matt 19:9-12 allowed some divorce. Abortion I’m not sure Christ even mentioned unless one believes the moment of conception and prior to viability is when the soul enters the fetus. I might well believe that. But I’m not sure everyone does. Off topic but just wanted to reply. Peace and God bless!
 
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