Theists are Irrational?

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mlchance said:
Other words for making the leap from “faith” to “delusion” are “strawman” and “equivocation” and “intellectually dishonest”.

Faith is not belief without evidence.

– Mark L. Chance.
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Yes it is. That’s how it is defined by most people. It’s not a strawman, it’s reality.
 
SpiritMeadow said:
I don’t know where you get your facts, but New Age is a term that is essentially incorrect in the first place.You’re encompassing way too many different movemnts. More importantly, those that are engaged in new age, new thought groups are in no way promoting atheism. To suggest that is irresponsible having no basic in fact. They are very much deists. And these various belief systems require the same degree of faith as any other.
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I mispoke in saying that the new age movement is trying to move people closer to atheism. And yes…I do know that new age is a broad term and encompasses many different movements, for the sake of this thread, I generalized and errored in the way I originally stated it.
I meant to say that the new age movement is making that bridge from believing in God to atheism an easier one to cross.
 
Mersenne said:
No, when I was a child I had many childish beliefs.

I grew up.
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Any 1 significant thing?
Mersenne said:
That would suck. What if blinking causes you to go to hell? Better stop just in case!

There is no god.
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Apparently you don’t wish a discussion, just want to cram your beliefs down others throats.
Mersenne said:
I don’t have a gun. Only christians use force to make other’s believe, it’s all they have because it’s irrational and no one will believe it otherwise. They rely on either brainwashing children, taking advantage of people when they are vulnerable, like through AA or through grieving people, and often they just use violence. And only christians would equate “pointing out reality” to “force”
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Other religions too or only Chrisitians?
Mersenne said:
That’s a very wide concept, but in general, large amounts of solid evidence in support of the concept, in far greater amounts then the evidence against.
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And what is your proof that God does not exist, or is your view the way it is because it is the easiest for you?

Just curious on your thought process that you think you are more intelligent to come to this conclusion than the vast majority?
 
melbourne_guy said:
theres 3000 religions all with the same percentage of evidence,
zero percent. Roll the dice and hope you choose the right one i guess 😉
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No need to roll the dice, my friend. I’m 100% sure I have. 😃

To paraphrase: Faith is being sure of what you hope for, and knowing what you cannot see.

I cannot see the wind, yet I can feel it’s effects. How do I know it is wind? People who study these things tell me it’s so. But can I prove it? Nope. Does it exist? Absolutely.
 
Mersenne said:
What if god hates delusional people? Isn’t that more likely then him wanting you to forgo the brain he gave you?
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boy I must be thick as well as delusional, as this made no sense to me at all. Can you elaborate a bit?
 
Mersenne said:
What if god hates delusional people? Isn’t that more likely then him wanting you to forgo the brain he gave you?
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Surely you’re not suggesting that the human brain can prove the non-existence of God. I’d sure like to see that proof!
 
Swan said:
I’m not an atheist but I think I understand their point, which is: there is no objective proof of the existance of “God”. It is really all about faith. They want something that can be proven. Many also see the presence of evil in the world as proof that there is no “loving” God. I may be wrong on this - and it is probable that different atheists believe different things for different reasons, just like everyone else. 🤷
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There may not be any definitive proof for the existance of God but there are tons of compelling proofs. Given what we now know from cosmology, atheists need to rely on just as much faith (if not more) to believe that there isn’t a Supreme Being.
 
Riley259 said:
There may not be any definitive proof for the existance of God but there are tons of compelling proofs. Given what we now know from cosmology, atheists need to rely on just as much faith (if not more) to believe that there isn’t a Supreme Being.
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I would go even further. Regardless of the cosmological model, atheists need to rely just as much on faith (belief in things not proven) to hold their views as theists do.
 
dmelosi said:
I mispoke in saying that the new age movement is trying to move people closer to atheism. And yes…I do know that new age is a broad term and encompasses many different movements, for the sake of this thread, I generalized and errored in the way I originally stated it.
I meant to say that the new age movement is making that bridge from believing in God to atheism an easier one to cross.
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Fine, can you explain what and how this is? I’m fairly familiar with some of the new thought faiths though certainly not all. I see nothing being taught that moves in the direction of atheism. I’d be interested in what sources and proofs you have.
 
Atheists are not experiencing God. Perhaps it is arrogance that blocks their receiving mechanism.

They cannot and will not allow for the supernatural. What a shame for those who claim to be intellectual and searching for the truth to stay inside a box of their own making.

Childlike beliefs? If they believe they have insulted me for believing like a child, I have news for them. Jesus said bring the little children to me.
 
SpiritMeadow said:
Fine, can you explain what and how this is? I’m fairly familiar with some of the new thought faiths though certainly not all. I see nothing being taught that moves in the direction of atheism. I’d be interested in what sources and proofs you have.
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I believe that the new age movement is the greatest threat to Christianity there is. The foundation of the new age movement is Hindu Pantheism or All-is-God doctrine. If God is identical with the world, then He has no will, no authority and no commandments. This notion of God is so watered-down as to be vertually meaningless. Quote from Beginning Apologetics Book 4. San Juan Catholic Seminars.

As I feel that this is the biggest threat to Christianity, I am doing a lot of research, so I welcome your questions so it will give me something to look for to be able to answer…maybe I can learn more about it this way.
 
dmelosi said:
Any 1 significant thing?
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Not really.
Apparently you don’t wish a discussion, just want to cram your beliefs down others throats.
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How am I doing that? I made a valid point in response to the ridiculous notion that it’s a good idea to “be a christian just in case” and I also pointed out that one of your questions is invalid because to answer it I would have to assume the existence of god. You’re the one who is avoiding a discussion, not suprising, as there really is no reasonable way to defend the claims you are making.
Other religions too or only Chrisitians?
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Christianity and religions that mostly stemmed from Christianity. But you rarely see such things in buddhism, taoism, paganism, hinduism, or any of the other world religions. It’s likely the cause of Christianity’s wide spread popularity and Islam’s growing popularity.
And what is your proof that God does not exist, or is your view the way it is because it is the easiest for you?
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God is supernatural and supernatural things by definition contradict most of known science. My evidence that god does not exist is the same evidence that fairies and lepercauns don’t exist. The minute you say something is “outside of nature” you have defined it as likely not existing.
 
kristie_m said:
boy I must be thick as well as delusional, as this made no sense to me at all. Can you elaborate a bit?
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You were saying that you are going to play the odds and believe in something that might not be true in order to secure eternal life. But don’t you think it’s also possible that god would be angry at you being intentionally dumb just to appease him?
 
VociMike said:
Surely you’re not suggesting that the human brain can prove the non-existence of God. I’d sure like to see that proof!
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God is supernatural and supernatural things by definition are incredibly unlikely to exist.
 
Riley259 said:
There may not be any definitive proof for the existance of God but there are tons of compelling proofs. Given what we now know from cosmology, atheists need to rely on just as much faith (if not more) to believe that there isn’t a Supreme Being.
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what compelling proofs?
 
Mersenne said:
Not really.

How am I doing that? I made a valid point in response to the ridiculous notion that it’s a good idea to “be a christian just in case” and I also pointed out that one of your questions is invalid because to answer it I would have to assume the existence of god. You’re the one who is avoiding a discussion, not suprising, as there really is no reasonable way to defend the claims you are making.

Christianity and religions that mostly stemmed from Christianity. But you rarely see such things in buddhism, taoism, paganism, hinduism, or any of the other world religions. It’s likely the cause of Christianity’s wide spread popularity and Islam’s growing popularity.

God is supernatural and supernatural things by definition contradict most of known science. My evidence that god does not exist is the same evidence that fairies and lepercauns don’t exist. The minute you say something is “outside of nature” you have defined it as likely not existing.
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I truly feel sorry for you and pray for your close-mindedness, “inside the box thought process”.

You very obviously do not nor have made any attempt to understand Christian teachings.

How do you explain the many outside of nature healings or some of the incorrupt remains of some of the saints?

Since you have so much to lose if you are right, why not explore every possible chance that you are wrong?
 
Mersenne said:
God is supernatural and supernatural things by definition contradict most of known science. My evidence that god does not exist is the same evidence that fairies and lepercauns don’t exist. The minute you say something is “outside of nature” you have defined it as likely not existing.
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Science by its own definition has a limited say about the universe. That’s why we have philosophy and metaphysics.
 
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