Theodore McCarrick Dismissed From the Clerical State

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Vatican laicizes disgraced ex-cardinal Theodore McCarrick​

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‘The Holy Father has recognized the definitive nature of this decision made in accord with law, i.e. admitting of no further recourse.’
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While McCarrick is not expected to face criminal prosecution because the allegations exceed the statutes of limitations in the U.S. jurisdictions where they are said to have occurred, Grein’s allegations have brought to focus decades-long and cover-ups by Catholic Church leaders.
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“Solicitation in the Sacrament of Confession”, how repulsive…horrible. I’m sorry these youth could be swayed at the same time. To think that he could rise to a position of responsibility.
 
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Outraged Catholic laity forced action on McCarrick. But that’s just a first step.​

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Outraged Catholic laity forced action on McCarrick. But that’s just a first step.

The Natonal Catholic Register report on the laicization of Theodore McCarrick, by Edward Pentin, is excellent: thorough, balanced, and accurate. I strongly suggest that you read the entire piece. (Be sure to scroll down past the fundraising appeal.) Have you done that? Good. Now let me call...
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Even before his call for McCarrick’s repentance, Archbishop Vigano charged that Pope Francis protected and even advanced the now-disgraced prelate. Pentin reminds us:
The Holy Father has not responded to the accusations, and the Vatican has yet to release the findings of a promised investigation into its own archives on McCarrick.
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Not just responsibility… until a couple years ago he was one of the most celebrated and powerful bishops in the entire global Church. The elite of the elite…
 
Unfortunately things happen that are right but sad. It is right that he was dismissed from clerical state but the whole thing is also a very sad situation in the Church and it will take a very long time to heal.
 
Victoria33 said:
To think that he could rise to a position of responsibility.
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He just hid what he was doing. Simple as that.
He is not the first bishop who proved to be unworthy in 2000 years of Christianity. Ok he has a soul and temptations on clerics are harder than on others. But for his soul I think it is easier to be shown he is wrong and be stopped from his clerical duties. The whole picture is way vaster than just our world and the positions we hold here. What Christ does is a great sacrifice at every liturgy taking place on this planet. Someone has to be worthy to serve it.
I pray for McCarrick and his soul may he find peace with God.
 
Mary888 said:
He just hid what he was doing. Simple as that.
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I believe he did not hide it that well. From the general public yes, but a lot of people apparently knew about his beach house trips with seminarians.
 
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but a lot of people apparently knew about his beach house trips with seminarians.
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That is sad when the priests behave like a guild. But what can you do? It is done. Would it be fair to also defrock everyone who knew and hid it? I don’t think so.
There is another great scandal in France with cardinal Barbarin. This time he says he is innocent. I hope he is.
 
Solicitation in the Sacrament of Confession? Sounds extremely aberrant to me.
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Would it be fair to also defrock everyone who knew and hid it? I don’t think so.
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I think that some sort of penalty would be in order. Otherwise, people might see no wrong in covering up terrible crimes.
 
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It’s good to see that the Me-To movement has muscle even within the Church. It amazes me that McCarrick was able to openly prey on seminarians and still be elevated to Cardinal by JPII. Just goes to show how far society has progressed with respect to tolerating such an abuse of power.

I do feel kind of sorry for him. As a smart young gay man from a Catholic family, there weren’t many options for him to live a meaningful life in his day. At least one good thing that comes from the greater acceptance of gay men by society is that they no longer need to hide out in the Church to avoid persecution. That must take some pressure off the guys in the seminary who really want to be priests.
 
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“Solicitation in the Sacrament of Confession”, how repulsive…horrible. I’m sorry these youth could be swayed at the same time. To think that he could rise to a position of responsibility.
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And if he did this to his young priests, then they both went to Confession with one another afterwards, they cannot be compelled to testify in court (the seal of the Confessional).

Sacrilegiously weaponizing the Sacrament of Confession.

And even if he did that to his seminarians this way, he could claim, “Well I have no ability to defend myself as I heard his confession!”

Another way of sacrilegiously weaponizing the Sacrament of Confession.

This type of thing is evil.
 
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Just an aside.

I think the Church does not want us using ecclesiastical titles for clerics that have been laicized.

Here is the Salina Kansas diocese in Kansas where Theodore McCarrick lives referrining to him as “Mr.” McCarrick.

(They dove-tail his ecclesiatical title then transition to “Mr.” in their letter).
. . . Mr. McCarrick will continue to reside at the St. Fidelis Friary in Victoria until a decision of permanent residence is finalized. . . .
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https://salinadiocese.org/quick-links-stories/3835-statement-on-theodore-mccarrick

As LifeSiteNews explains . . . .
While he has been laicized, the ontological mark of priestly ordination and episcopal consecration on McCarrick’s soul remains, thus sacramentally he remains a priest and bishop, as those cannot be undone. With laicization, though, the disgraced former cardinal loses all the rights and privileges of a cleric . . .
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McCarrick fought being defrocked. Will he repent? - LifeSite

McCarrick fought his laicization, the Vatican revealed.
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The remaining of his ontological mark of ordination is also appropriate to mention here.
 
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So he has it (the ontological mark) but he cannot use it- no titles etc. But who would stop him or any other laicized cleric from doing mass on their own. Would it still be valid or licit? What would the difference be?
 
It would be valid but illicit…and thus gravely sinful on the part of the laicized priest.
 
Gabika50 . . .
So he has it (the ontological mark) but he cannot use it- no titles etc. But who would stop him or any other laicized cleric from doing mass on their own. Would it still be valid or licit? What would the difference be?
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That’s correct. Ted McCarrick is still ontologically a bishop and will forever remain so.

Stopping him? He has to make good on at least these promises otherwise there is no stopping him. McCarrick has to stop himself.

This is part of the reason WHY we are to ordain good men in the first place. Not men who are slaves to their vices.

Illicit Sacraments by him. (These men have permission to hear Confession and render absolution in the case of an imminent death emergency. Otherwise no Sacraments are to be administered. At least in his ministerial priestly capacity.)

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Here is the proverbial loose cannon, Emmanuel Milingo as an example.

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Vatican defrocks exorcist archbishop who married​

Philip Pullella

17 Dec 2009

VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - African Archbishop Emmanuel Milingo, who practiced exorcism, faith healing and created a scandal in the Catholic Church when he married a Korean woman, has been defrocked, the Vatican said on Thursday. . . .

. . . . According to Canon (Church) law, Milingo’s defrocking means he will no longer be able to carry out priestly duties and will not be allowed to dress like a priest.

The Vatican warned the faithful that any participation in events organized by Milingo, . . . would be “unlawful.” . . .

. . . He (Malingo) maintained that only by allowing a married priesthood could the Church deal with a shortage of priests. . . .

. . . In 2001, Milingo, who once served as archbishop of Lusaka, Zambia, stunned the Vatican when he disappeared and then showed up in New York, where he married Maria Sung, a 43-year-old Korean woman chosen for him by the South Korean-born evangelist Sun Myung Moon.

Milingo, wearing a tuxedo, attended a mass wedding of hundreds of couples and kissed his white-gowned wife for the cameras in a ceremony in a hotel, prompting embarrassment in the Vatican, who said he had been brain-washed.

Milingo later left Sung, rejoined the Church and went into seclusion for a year of “rehabilitation” in South America. He returned to Italy and moved into a secluded convent near Rome.

But in 2006, he went missing from the convent, turned up in Washington with Sung, and has been criticizing the Vatican over its celibacy rule ever since. . . .
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Vatican defrocks exorcist archbishop who married

African Archbishop Emmanuel Milingo, who practiced exorcism, faith healing and created a scandal in the Catholic Church when he married a Korean woman, has been defrocked, the Vatican said on Thursday.
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Most laicized folks do not step out of line like this; if they do, they rarely make press. The one that have left to get married (an marry in the church) could be a great resource for their parishes But due to the examples I have seen on laicization, they can just be regular parish members. This is somewhat understandable as many priests may see such men weilding the same degrees and in many cases the same experience- as a threat…not too charitable however.
 
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