Theodosius the Great

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Do Eastern-rite Catholics honour the Roman emperor Theodosius the Great as a saint, like the Eastern Orthodox do?
 
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I don’t know why they wouldn’t. They have all the same Saints as the Orthodox do (modern Orthodox Saints probably notwithstanding).
 
celestialhost said:
I appreciate your efforts in checking. I notice though that there are only a handful of saints included on that calendar.
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So the thread is about Emperor Theodosius the Great (+ 395 A.D.) or Venerable Theodosius Hegumen-Abbot, that died at age 105 (+ 529 A.D.)?

In the Gregorian Calendar for January 11, Julian January 24 is:

Theodosius - Venerable is January 11, 2014 on the Byzantine Eparchial calendar. It reads:“Our venerable father, Theodosius. Hegumen-Abbot died in A.D. 485 at the age of 105 in the reign of Leo and Anastasius, Emperors.” [Note that the date is different than the usual 529 A.D.]
In the Metropolitan Cantor January Menaion it reads:“11 Our venerable father Theodosius, founder of the common life, abbot, a friend of St. Sabbas, who, after a long solitary life permitted many disciples to assemble as companions to himself. In monasteries that he built, he cultivated the common life, until, having suffered many things for the true faith, the centenarian finally rested in the peace of Christ. (529)”
If you inspect the Orthodox Calendar of Holy Trinity Russian Orthodox Church for Monday January 24, 2011 / January 11, 2011, there is also Theodosius the Great, the Cenobiarch. However, there is another Theodosius the Great:

On Thursday, January 30, 2014 / January 17, 2014 is Emperor St. Theodosius the Great (395).

The Emperor is not on the Byzantine Catholic Church calendar.

holytrinityorthodox.com/calendar/
 
I’d be willing to bet he is. Seems like his was an ancient canonization and there would be no reason for the Byzantine Catholics to remove him. I can’t find a single resource online for any of the various Byzantine churches here in the States. Not sure what’s up with that. 🤷
 
Seraphim73 said:
I’d be willing to bet he is. Seems like his was an ancient canonization and there would be no reason for the Byzantine Catholics to remove him. I can’t find a single resource online for any of the various Byzantine churches here in the States. Not sure what’s up with that. 🤷
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The liturgy only celebrates some persons and they are shown on the calendar.

For the Byzantine Metropolitan Church of Pittsburgh, USA calendar see:

archpitt.org/resources/saints/month.calendar/2014/01/20/121

On January 17 is shown St. Anthony, and does not show Emperor Theodosius the Great. Metropolitan Cantor Menaion for that day has:**17 **Our venerable father Anthony the Great, who, bereaved by his parents’ death, accepted the evangelical commands, distributed all his goods to the poor and retired in solitude to the Thebaid in Egypt. He began to lead an ascetic life and diligently worked to strengthen the Church, sustaining confessors of the faith during the persecution of the Emperor Diocletian. He supported St. Athanasius against the Arians. He had many disciples, and is thus considered the father of monks. (356)

That Menaion does shown multiples on various days, for example in November:

**11 The holy martyrs Menas, Victor, and Vincent. **Menas was a soldier from Egypt, who could not bear to look upon the food offering made in sacrifice to idols. Because of this, he left the army and went into the desert to live with wild beasts. Menas was arrested by a pagan governor and tortured and martyred with his companions Victor and Vincent. (304)

The holy martyr Stephanis volunteered to die with Vincent. (304)

Our venerable father and confessor Theodore the Studite was hegumen of that monastery in Constantinople who suffered greatly for his defense of the cult of the holy icons. He was a wise organizer of monastic life, an inspired teacher of the Orthodox faith, and a great ascetic. He died in Constantinople at the age of 68. (826)

The holy priest-martyr Vincent Eugene Bossilkov. A member of the Passionist community, he admirably shepherded the flock of the Bulgarian Greek Catholic Church, and, when the Communists took control of the country, he refused to renounce the Union with Rome and was put to death in a most cruel manner. (1952)
 
Vico said:
The liturgy only celebrates some persons and they are shown on the calendar.

For the Byzantine Metropolitan Church of Pittsburgh, USA calendar see:

archpitt.org/resources/saints/month.calendar/2014/01/20/121

On January 17 is shown St. Anthony, and does not show Emperor Theodosius the Great. Metropolitan Cantor Menaion for that day has:**17 **Our venerable father Anthony the Great, who, bereaved by his parents’ death, accepted the evangelical commands, distributed all his goods to the poor and retired in solitude to the Thebaid in Egypt. He began to lead an ascetic life and diligently worked to strengthen the Church, sustaining confessors of the faith during the persecution of the Emperor Diocletian. He supported St. Athanasius against the Arians. He had many disciples, and is thus considered the father of monks. (356)

That Menaion does shown multiples on various days, for example in November:

**11 The holy martyrs Menas, Victor, and Vincent. **Menas was a soldier from Egypt, who could not bear to look upon the food offering made in sacrifice to idols. Because of this, he left the army and went into the desert to live with wild beasts. Menas was arrested by a pagan governor and tortured and martyred with his companions Victor and Vincent. (304)

The holy martyr Stephanis volunteered to die with Vincent. (304)

Our venerable father and confessor Theodore the Studite was hegumen of that monastery in Constantinople who suffered greatly for his defense of the cult of the holy icons. He was a wise organizer of monastic life, an inspired teacher of the Orthodox faith, and a great ascetic. He died in Constantinople at the age of 68. (826)

The holy priest-martyr Vincent Eugene Bossilkov. A member of the Passionist community, he admirably shepherded the flock of the Bulgarian Greek Catholic Church, and, when the Communists took control of the country, he refused to renounce the Union with Rome and was put to death in a most cruel manner. (1952)
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Then why was he removed?
 
Seraphim73 said:
Then why was he removed?
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January 30 has St. Anthony, Hloy Martyr George, and Emperor Theodosius the Great in the Menaion for the Serbian Orthodox Church.

crkvenikalendar.com/index_en.php?year=2014&month=1

The Byzantine Catholic Church from the Union of Uzhorod had a jurisdiction established in 1689, established as Apostolic Vicariate of Mukacheve, Hungary, and then later an Eparchy of Mukacheve was established on 19 September, 1771. I don’t know the history of the Menaion from those days.
 
Vico said:
January 30 has St. Anthony, Hloy Martyr George, and Emperor Theodosius the Great in the Menaion for the Serbian Orthodox Church.

crkvenikalendar.com/index_en.php?year=2014&month=1

The Byzantine Catholic Church from the Union of Uzhorod had a jurisdiction established in 1689, established as Apostolic Vicariate of Mukacheve, Hungary, and then later an Eparchy of Mukacheve was established on 19 September, 1771. I don’t know the history of the Menaion from those days.
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I mean I don’t know for sure but I imagine he has been venerated as a saint from at least the first millennium. Maybe he was added to the Orthodox calendar much later and that explains it. I just know that Byzantine Catholics tend to have the same commemorations as their Orthodox counterparts even to the point of venerating some post-schism saints.
 
celestialhost said:
I appreciate your efforts in checking. I notice though that there are only a handful of saints included on that calendar.
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That is one big difference between Eastern Catholic and Orthodox calendars. The Orthodox calendar commemorates at least one Saint a day even Sundays and often two or more.

And yes their are different calendars for churches in different areas. The Russians and Greeks for example do not always commemorate the same Saints.

Did Vatican II have influence in the Eastern church? I know the Roman calendar was radically revised at the time of Vat II. Saints were dropped and some became optional memorials.
 
Seraphim73 said:
I mean I don’t know for sure but I imagine he has been venerated as a saint from at least the first millennium. Maybe he was added to the Orthodox calendar much later and that explains it. I just know that Byzantine Catholics tend to have the same commemorations as their Orthodox counterparts even to the point of venerating some post-schism saints.
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This is on the same Sunday:

Sunday of St. Gregory Palamas (Second Sunday of the Great Fast)
American Carpatho-Russian Orthodox Diocese: Gregory Palamas Tropar

Second Sunday of the Great Fast
Byzantine Catholic Church: no Tropar for Gregory Palamas
 
Vico said:
This is on the same Sunday:

Sunday of St. Gregory Palamas (Second Sunday of the Great Fast)
American Carpatho-Russian Orthodox Diocese: Gregory Palamas Tropar

Second Sunday of the Great Fast
Byzantine Catholic Church: no Tropar for Gregory Palamas
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I know for a fact St Gregory is commemorated in some Byzantine Catholic Churches.
 
Seraphim73 said:
I know for a fact St Gregory is commemorated in some Byzantine Catholic Churches.
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I’m referring to pp. 222-223 in the promulgated liturgy for the entire Byzantine Metropolitan Church USA approved by the bishops (Basil, Andrew, William, John) in 2006 and which is “the sole liturgical text for the celebration of the Divine Liturgies of our Holy Fathers John Chrysostom and Basil the Great”. Also the official calendar does not include Gregory Palamas on the second Sunday of the Great Fast.

So, I don’t know of a specific reason why anyone is following something different than that in the Byzantine Metropolitan Church.
 
Vico said:
I’m referring to pp. 222-223 in the promulgated liturgy for the entire Byzantine Metropolitan Church USA approved by the bishops (Basil, Andrew, William, John) in 2006 and which is “the sole liturgical text for the celebration of the Divine Liturgies of our Holy Fathers John Chrysostom and Basil the Great”. Also the official calendar does not include Gregory Palamas on the second Sunday of the Great Fast.

So, I don’t know of a specific reason why anyone is following something different than that in the Byzantine Metropolitan Church.
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For whatever reason there is almost no resources online for questions like these so I can only go on what Catholic clergy have told me. He is commemorated on the second Sunday of Lent in some Churches. Do you have an online resource for any of the Byzantine Churches?
 
Seraphim73 said:
For whatever reason there is almost no resources online for questions like these so I can only go on what Catholic clergy have told me. He is commemorated on the second Sunday of Lent in some Churches. Do you have an online resource for any of the Byzantine Churches?
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I have see it on the Melkite calendar.

The Byzantine Catholic Metropolitan Church USA, Calendar:

archpitt.org/resources/sa…2014/01/20/121

Promulgated Liturgy

metropolitancantorinstitute.org/Publications2.html

PDF: metropolitancantorinstitute.org/servicebooks/DivineLiturgies.pdf

St. John the Baptizer Ukrainian Catholic Church

stjohnthebaptizer.org/calendar.php
 
The Emperor Theodosius:

I just took a look at a 12-volume Kievan menaion, reprinted in Moscow in 1996 by the Patriarchate of Moscow, that only shows St. Anthony the Great on January. Now, this means that he is the only saint that is commemorated LITURGICALLY on that day,

The official calendar of saints of the Byzantine Catholic Archeparchy of Pittsburgh shows the same:

metropolitancantorinstitute.org/liturgy/Calendar_of_Saints.html

This is the same calendar printed in the back of the priest’s liturgikon.

The Cantor Institute calendar that was linked above (for 2014) only shows Sundays and major feasts. But in the calendar of saints, and in the MCI monthly menaion for the Divine Liturgy, we DO often commemorate several saints on one day.

Finally, I would note that the Chrysostom Press translation of the Russian “Great Lives of the Saints” does not have anyone other than St. Anthony the Great on January 17, and that is a VERY extensive and traditional set of saints’ lives.

St. Gregory Palamas:

He is a 14th century (i.e. fairly late, for us saint, and one very much identified with controversy with Catholics. The official Greek Catholic Liturgical books through the middle of the 20th century tended to keep the older commemorations for the second Sunday of Lent. However, the (officially approved) typikon prepared annually by Fr. David Petras includes details for commemorating Gregory Palamas on that day.

Jeff
 
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