Theology of tabacco and alcohol

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ComradeAndrei:
Wow, I’m surprised that you didn’t come up with a Rastafarian site. :cool:
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JoeyWarren:
As an ex-Pentecostal, I can say they believe anything that harms the body is a sin. But they draw the line somewhere, especially at breakfast time when they need to do the daily intake of Cholesterol laden Bacon and Eggs…
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Do they also wear full-body suits when they venture out into the Summer time Sunshine!?
 
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St.Eric:
Do they also wear full-body suits when they venture out into the Summer time Sunshine!?
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well i guess we pretty much offended the **** out of them and won’t be hearing anymore. that sucks.
 
Coming from the Fundamentalist/Pentecostal/Evangelical mish-mash background, I can tell you as an ex-smoker and sometime wine sipper, I did not fit in at all. You could say I stayed in the closet. I just couldn’t buy into the extremes.

Of course, they are right about our bodies being Temples of the Holy Spirit, and we are to take care of them. But they elevated these sins way above what they should have been. You were practically ostracized (sp?) if you were known to have these habits. Of course, you could weigh 300lbs., but, everyone has their vice, huh? :rolleyes: I mean what would church be without the pot luck suppers or dinner at Denny’s after service?

It’s the whole take care of the beam in your own eye, before you point out the splinter in another’s eye parable, (or is it the other way around?) it doesn’t get much play time in those circles.

Don’t mean to sound bitter, just glad I’m not there anymore! I’m free to be temporate, and I’m working on it, with the Lord’s help!
 
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santaro75:
well i guess we pretty much offended the **** out of them and won’t be hearing anymore. that sucks.
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I was being serious with both of my posts.
 
Jeanette L:
Coming from the Fundamentalist/Pentecostal/Evangelical mish-mash background, I can tell you as an ex-smoker and sometime wine sipper, I did not fit in at all. You could say I stayed in the closet. I just couldn’t buy into the extremes.

Of course, they are right about our bodies being Temples of the Holy Spirit, and we are to take care of them. But they elevated these sins way above what they should have been. You were practically ostracized (sp?) if you were known to have these habits. Of course, you could weigh 300lbs., but, everyone has their vice, huh? :rolleyes: I mean what would church be without the pot luck suppers or dinner at Denny’s after service?

It’s the whole take care of the beam in your own eye, before you point out the splinter in another’s eye parable, (or is it the other way around?) it doesn’t get much play time in those circles.

Don’t mean to sound bitter, just glad I’m not there anymore! I’m free to be temporate, and I’m working on it, with the Lord’s help!
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Ya know, that is a great point. In my protestant days I always heard about the evils of tobacco and alcohol and the body is the temple bit. All the while coming from a 300 pund plus pastor who started sweating profusly 3 minutes into his sermon and was so winded he could barley breath by the end of the sermon. I always wondered if we had any paramedics in the congregation. And I am being serious by the way. It seems to me this sin of gluttony with food is just as bad if not worse than gluttony with alcohol or tobacco.
 
I drink alcohol every now and then…mainly beer. I have never smoked and i tried chewing tobacco(That stuff is terrible for you) As far as smoking and chewing go I think GOD would ask us why we would want to potentially cause harm to our bodies…I think it’s ok to drink sociably and that we should stay away from smoking and chewing.
 
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santaro75:
I have a evangelical friend whose church really focus’ a lot of attention on drinking and smoking. These are practically the top 2 sins that they judge people on.

I would like to hear from bible christians or non catholics about the theology of alcohol and tabacco being sinful. A biblical argument would be preferred but any argument is welcome.
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From Screpture Catholic,

Luke 7:33-34 - God the Son drank wine and was accused of being a drunk. Are those Protestant churches that forbid the drinking of wine doing the same?

John 2:1-11 - Jesus’ first miracle was turning water into wine which was drunk at the wedding at Cana. Wine is a symbol of the life of the Church, in both the Eucharist and, here, the sanctification of the sacrament of marriage. Verse 10 also indicates that the people drank enough wine at the feast to the point that they might not have recognized good wine from bad wine. Yet Jesus creates for them more wine to drink.

1 Tim. 5:23 - Paul tells Timothy to drink not just water, but a little wine for the sake of his stomach and frequent ailments. If Paul under divine inspiration encourages the drinking of wine, why do some Protestant churches prohibit it?

Gen. 14:18 - Melchizedek offers a bread and wine sacrifice, and Jesus is the Priest in the same manner. Heb. 5:6,10; 6:20; 7:15,17.

Gen. 27:25 - Isaac brought Jacob wine, and he drank, with God’s favor.

Neh. 8:10 - Nehemiah commands the faithful to drink sweet wine to celebrate the Lord and His holy day.

Psalm 104:15 - the Psalmist writes that “wine gladdens the heart of a man.” God gave us the fruit of the vine to enjoy.

Ecclesiastes 9:7 - “drink your wine with a merry heart, for God approves what you do.” Wisdom 2:7 - “Let us take our fill of costly wine and perfumes!”
 
My protestant friends elevate smoking and drinking to the highest signs of being a christian it seems sometimes yet frequently eat fast food and avoid exercise and veggies. So i don’t think it is as much about health as the fact that many mistakes in life are made when drunk.
 
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alekzander:
I drink alcohol every now and then…mainly beer. I have never smoked and i tried chewing tobacco(That stuff is terrible for you) As far as smoking and chewing go I think GOD would ask us why we would want to potentially cause harm to our bodies…I think it’s ok to drink sociably and that we should stay away from smoking and chewing.
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For me, nothing is more relaxing than a nice cigar and Pope St. Pius X would agree.
 
Part of the argument always is that it ruins a Christian’s testimony. But, the only reason it ruins a Christian’s testimony is because the Christians they associate with say it is wrong. A circular argument, a trap you can’t get out of. Same for dancing, bingo, and a myriad of other no no’s throughout the last couple of centuries. It all depends on who’s making up the lists of no no’s.

Some can’t wear jewelry. Some can’t wear makeup. Some won’t allow women to wear slacks. Some can’t go to movies or theatres, some won’t walk into a restaurant that even serves alcohol, let alone drink it. They wouldn’t want anyone seeing them going in there in case they would think they might take a drink. It gets very, very extreme.

It becomes extremely legalistic, which ironically, is what they accuse Catholicism of. :rolleyes:

I say teach people to be moderate in all things not explicitly immoral and then let the Holy Spirit tell their consciences if they are not in line with his will. Bottom line, people don’t trust God to let them know when they’ve crossed over that line.
 
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BryPGuy89:
For tobacco, it says do not smoke, herb or foliage, plant or any other thing that is addictive or harmful. Alcohol I guess one must conclude that we are set aside for life for Christ and if one is drunk for one they are without self-control, not glorifying God, and often commit sin one way or another, strong influence of alcohol leads to something wrong.
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Could you please give me the passage that includes the not smoking…
 
Here’s one!

“The smoke of their torment ariseth up for ever and ever…who worship the beast and his image” (Rev. 14:11).

If that don’t prove against smokin, nothing do.
 
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StMarkEofE:
Yes I agree, and wine was a staple at the time as well because some water supplies were anything but potable. Wine has a natural content that inhibits the growth of bad bacteria as well. Wine was drank at mealtime and as we see today is a good way of aiding digestion and is also good for the blood. The consumption of any spirits is to be done in moderation of course.
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Exactly! Moderation in ALL THINGS is the key. I used to smoke, but I had the will power to quit, because I knew it wasn’t good for me. And I’m glad I did.
 
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Kevan:
Here’s one!

“The smoke of their torment ariseth up for ever and ever…who worship the beast and his image” (Rev. 14:11).

If that don’t prove against smokin, nothing do.
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Kevan,

Are you SERIOUS about that quote proving that smoking tobacco is forbidden? Please respond.
 
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santaro75:
I have a evangelical friend whose church really focus’ a lot of attention on drinking and smoking. These are practically the top 2 sins that they judge people on.

I would like to hear from bible christians or non catholics about the theology of alcohol and tabacco being sinful. A biblical argument would be preferred but any argument is welcome.
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Peace.

What is the difference between running into a Catholic at the liquor store and running into an evangelical fundamentalist at the liquor store?

The Catholic will say “hi” to you.

Peace.
 
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jim1130:
Peace.

What is the difference between running into a Catholic at the liquor store and running into an evangelical fundamentalist at the liquor store?

The Catholic will say “hi” to you.

Peace.
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LOL :rotfl:
 
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jim1130:
Peace.

What is the difference between running into a Catholic at the liquor store and running into an evangelical fundamentalist at the liquor store?

The Catholic will say “hi” to you.

Peace.
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The fundamentalist will pretend he meant to be in the bakery next door!
 
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