Theology of the Body Poll

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Please refer also to the June thread forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=579
The Theology of the Body and Christopher West

I am interested in hearing from those who have studied this beautiful teaching on life and love, Pope John Paul II’s Theology of the Body

This is a brief synopsis from Christopher West’s website www.christopherwest.com
By helping us understand this profound interconnection between sex and the Christian mystery, John Paul’s theology of the body not only paves the way for lasting renewal of marriage and the family; it enables everyone to rediscover “the meaning of the whole of existence, the meaning of life” (Oct 29, 80).

This site also has various audio clips from his tapes and teachings. A real treasure!
 
yikes, i meant to post this on the Family Forum not Liturgy. How do we switch it?
 
The group I am in meets on the second and fourth Wednesdays…and has been meeting for about two and a half years now. We are deep into Life in the Spirit, and should finish our studies in about 6 months.

It is a transformative work. When you read it it changes the way you see the world…powerful stuff.
 
Many catholics have overllly praised Pope John Paul II’s Book Theology of the Body as if was the greatest discovery in Catholicism. Or many have saught fame or publicity by claiming to be experts on the “great booK.” The Church has always taught what the pope mentions. However, the Pope in the book downplays the Moral theology which the Church has always used to describe Sexuality and human nature, such as the Aristotelian metaethics, and the Thomistic view. On the contrary, the book uses a semi-Kantian view on sexuality.
Aquinas, and Ligori have written EXCELLENT!!! works on Morality, sexuality, etc. It is with these two DOCTORS of the Church that I personally follow(moral theology: sexuality.
 
I think I would get more out of it if I know what the "Thou shalt not"s are. Can someone help me out? I realize there may be some sensitive topics, so you can private message me on this site if necessary. No e-mails please, I have kids.
 
Is liturgy the correct forum for this? I would think it would be more appropriate to have it in Family Life? or at least Apologetics. Certainly has nothing to do with liturgy.
 
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deogratias:
Is liturgy the correct forum for this? I would think it would be more appropriate to have it in Family Life? or at least Apologetics. Certainly has nothing to do with liturgy.
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If you bothered to read the thread you would have known that ysicmg is aware of that. Perhaps you can clue us in on how to change forums.
 
Blood Rain:
If you bothered to read the thread you would have known that ysicmg is aware of that. Perhaps you can clue us in on how to change forums.
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Blood rain, I only read the initial post before I responded and I was not being critical, just suggesting that liturgy was not the place for it - no need to be sarcastic. It was only later that I saw the second notation.

Anyway the only way I know is for you to contact the moderator and ask her to move it for you. I don’t believe we can move them as members but I could be wrong - wouldn’t be the first time obviously:D
 
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Blood rain, I only read the initial post before I responded and I was not being critical, just suggesting that liturgy was not the place for it - no need to be sarcastic. It was only later that I saw the second notation.

Anyway the only way I know is for you to contact the moderator and ask her to move it for you. I don’t believe we can move them as members but I could be wrong - wouldn’t be the first time obviously:D
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There was no sarcasm. I didn’t say it was “good thing you read the whold thread” or something like that.

I read it as a criticism but perhaps it was only a correction. But one that had been addressed. I personally can’t stand being told something I already know; it’s one of my flaws. Kind of a kneejerk reaction on my part but I just decided to let ysicmg know I had his/her back. Probably uneccessarily. I don’t apologize for saying it but I do apologize for hijacking this thread. Mercy!

Topic? I think Christopher West rules for taking on TotB and making it accessible. I think JPII rules for bringing this out into the light. I don’t think TofB had the answer for just marriage, family and sexuality. When I heard CW speak late last year, listened to some of his CD sets and started reading TotB Explained it was like the whole world fell into place. It’s too late to for me to get into something so profound. I can’t be as articulate as JPII or West. Go read them!
 
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Many catholics have overllly praised Pope John Paul II’s Book Theology of the Body as if was the greatest discovery in Catholicism. Or many have saught fame or publicity by claiming to be experts on the “great booK.” The Church has always taught what the pope mentions. However, the Pope in the book downplays the Moral theology which the Church has always used to describe Sexuality and human nature, such as the Aristotelian metaethics, and the Thomistic view. On the contrary, the book uses a semi-Kantian view on sexuality.
Aquinas, and Ligori have written EXCELLENT!!! works on Morality, sexuality, etc. It is with these two DOCTORS of the Church that I personally follow(moral theology: sexuality.
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Alright misericordie. . . we can talk about something else other than the Charismatic Movement! Hehe

Could you give some examples of the contrast between the Pope’s teachings those of Aquinas and Ligori, et al? I really don’t know what it means to have a Thomistic view or a Kantian view on sexuality, having never read either of the two on that subject.
 
Another resource and good reading is Sex and the Sacred City by Steven Kellmeyer.
 
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misericordie:
Many catholics have overllly praised Pope John Paul II’s Book Theology of the Body as if was the greatest discovery in Catholicism.
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Have you read it, Misericordie?
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Or many have saught fame or publicity by claiming to be experts on the “great booK.”
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Many? Who, precisely? I know only Christopher West’s works on this topic, and I do not find him to be a “fame seeker” at all, rather a man with a passion for what he has learned at the knee of a master of our Faith.
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misericordie:
The Church has always taught what the pope mentions. However, the Pope in the book downplays the Moral theology which the Church has always used to describe Sexuality and human nature, such as the Aristotelian metaethics, and the Thomistic view. On the contrary, the book uses a semi-Kantian view on sexuality.
Aquinas, and Ligori have written EXCELLENT!!! works on Morality, sexuality, etc. It is with these two DOCTORS of the Church that I personally follow(moral theology: sexuality.
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Ya lost me, Misericordie. :rolleyes: Please explain how this book, which I am reading currently, “downplays moral theology.” It is, as far as I can see (and I grant you I am no genius), completely FILLED with moral theology. It presents a view of who and what we are and how we are created that reaches to the very depth of human reality and life.

How is this view of sexuality, which as you said yourself is what the Church has always taught, “semi-Kantian”? What, in a nutshell, did Kant belief that is reflected herein?

How does this work conflict with the work of Aquinas and Liguori? Please be specific, so I can understand what you are objecting to in this work by our Pope.
 
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Have you read it, Misericordie?

Many? Who, precisely? I know only Christopher West’s works on this topic, and I do not find him to be a “fame seeker” at all, rather a man with a passion for what he has learned at the knee of a master of our Faith.

Ya lost me, Misericordie. :rolleyes: Please explain how this book, which I am reading currently, “downplays moral theology.” It is, as far as I can see (and I grant you I am no genius), completely FILLED with moral theology. It presents a view of who and what we are and how we are created that reaches to the very depth of human reality and life.

How is this view of sexuality, which as you said yourself is what the Church has always taught, “semi-Kantian”? What, in a nutshell, did Kant belief that is reflected herein?

How does this work conflict with the work of Aquinas and Liguori? Please be specific, so I can understand what you are objecting to in this work by our Pope.
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Misericordie? I am still hoping to understand what you meant here. Please expound. Thanks.
 
Wow! What a gift!

JPII has provided light in the darkness!
Or, should I say, of course, Our Lord has provided light in the darkness, of course thought JPII!

The beautiful gift of Spousal Love (in matrimony or consecrated life) has been so distorted in society that even well-meaning Christians are still affected by the disgusting messages in the media, etc.
The Theology of the Body beautifully articulates the Gospel and the gift of sexuality.
I am listening to the tapes right now by Christopher West. You get them for a small donation at giftfoundation.org

For those of you who are single praying about the vocation of marriage, these are a must for you and your potential suitors.

For those of you who are married, these tapes are a wonderful way of deepening the Sacrament.

For those of you who are religious, deep insights regarding the depth of Spousal Love in the religious life can reignite that flame.
 
I think the main difference between theology of the body and older moral theology concerns the unitive and procreative functions of love. The theology of the body uses a both/and approach and emphasize both functions as equally important, whereas the older formula was to look at procreative as the “primary” function and the unitive as “secondary.”
 
My Pastor is going to speak on this very subject at John Carroll U, here in Cleveland during the Fall Term. He is also going to teach on the subject at our Church on Monday evenings. I will certainly attend.

go with God!
Edwin
 
what’s so awful about not being a Thomist? Jesus wasn’t one after all 🙂
 
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Minerva:
what’s so awful about not being a Thomist? Jesus wasn’t one after all 🙂
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First point: the issue commonly used today of Jesus not being a theologian(he actually was the best of all) of Jesus not going to college, of Jesus not being cardinal, and now of Jesus not being a Thomist, is actaully very comical. It is like asking why are there secretaries, Mary was not one. :rotfl:
Aquinas however was influenced by God or inspired by the Holy Trinity= Father, Son, and Holy Spirit which yes, includes Jesus. So, yes, it was Jesus in who taught and spoke through the mouth of Aquinas in Aquinas’ theology and philosophy. After all, wisdom comes from God=The Holy Trinity.
Second point= In the Second Vatican Council, Saint Thomas Aquinas was the only theologian which all are to pay any real mind to, and study (Decree on Priestly Training). Hence thomism=thomistic theology, is the official theology of the Church, not only did Pope Saint Pius the X said so, but recently in Fides et Ratio Pope John Paul II did too.
If many of todays students of theology were to study Aquinas, instaed of books by Theilhard de Chardin, Hans Kung, Yves Congar, and certain other present liberal “theologians” some which are tv religion program consultants, there would not be so much deviation from official church teaching, and well, mass confusion and relativism among many catholics, especially here in the USA.
 
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