Theoretical Question - Married American Priest

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Aside from things I’ve heard that are happening. Could an American move to another country, be ordain a priest and then return to the U.S. ordained? And NO! I’m not planning to attempt it. Just curious because in the past I admit it did cross my mind. I’ve decided to stay Latin Catholic for my family’s sake. But frankly, I lean towards the east so to speak. And even if I did go to the Eastern Catholic side I’d stay within what is allowed…probably just a deacon.
 
Aside from things I’ve heard that are happening. Could an American move to another country, be ordain a priest and then return to the U.S. ordained? And NO! I’m not planning to attempt it. Just curious because in the past I admit it did cross my mind. I’ve decided to stay Latin Catholic for my family’s sake. But frankly, I lean towards the east so to speak. And even if I did go to the Eastern Catholic side I’d stay within what is allowed…probably just a deacon.
As far as I know, that is possible. The original restriction on married priests was in regards to ordaining married men IN the States. I don’t believe it had anything to do with married priests being licitly transferred here.

Also, if you transfer to one of the Eastern or Oriental Catholic Churches, you can become a priest and not just deacon (except the Coptic Catholic Church, which currently only has a celibate priesthood - I THINK that is the case, though I’ve never bothered to verify it, which is strange as I am Coptic Catholic :o Is brother Irish Melkite lurking here and willing to remove my ignorance of the matter - or anyone else?)

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Marduk
 
You have to become an Eastern Catholic, Move to an Eastern Catholic diaspora, get married and then move back to the States with the permission of your Bishop.
 
I would not think you would need to leave the USA. Just become a member of an Eastern Rite church and begin the seminary process. Or is there some restriction on how Holy Orders are granted to Eastern Rite priests in the USA that I am not aware of? If so, could someone explain that to me please?
 
In other to backup my statement I did some research and found that until recently, the Eastern Catholic bishops of North America would generally ordain only unmarried men, for fear that married priests would create scandal. Since Vatican II its call for the restoration of Eastern Catholic traditions, a number of bishops have returned to the traditional practice of ordaining married men to the presbyterate. Bishops are still celibate and normally chosen from the ranks of monks.
 
Chellow that’s what I’ve learned…but I’ve received mixed messages on whether or not married Eastern Catholic men can or would be ordained. I knew about the Bishops from priest/monks. The same is true with Orhtodox Bishops. I was initially attracted to Orthodoxy and then I rediscovered or learned a bout the Eastern Catholics along my journey back to Catholicism. I would run to Orhtodoxy if Rome would allow it and even more strict…my wife.😉
 
Could an American move to another country, be ordain a priest and then return to the U.S. ordained? And NO! I’m not planning to attempt it. Just curious because in the past I admit it did cross my mind. I’ve decided to stay Latin Catholic for my family’s sake. But frankly, I lean towards the east so to speak.
I remember reading that a Change of Rite is allowed, once only, with sufficient reason and reflection. Ping-ponging between rites is not allowed.
 
The various Sui Iuris Churches have chosen different paths on the US issue. One has chosen to remain celibate within the US only.

Another has a tradition of priestly celibacy predating union.

The Byzantine Catholic Metropolitan Church of Pittsburgh, Sui Iuris, has not yet formally opened the seminary to married men bound for the priesthood. There are a few married priests who have come from outside the metropolia, in the Homelands of the Ruthenian Church. The Seminary does accept married men for the deaconate.

The Ukrainians are noted for using their Canadian seminary to get around the ordination rule, and have had married priests in the US since before V II… but under “Canadian” hierarchs.

It is important to note, however, that the original restriction was on married men serving as parish priests in the US, and so even “imported” married clerics were not permitted. (This is part and parcel of the issue that wound up creating the ACROD.)

Note also: The Roman Church now has a number of married men serving as parish priests. I know one of them, Rev. Fr. Scott Medlock, who was a convert from the Methodist faith, where he had been a preacher.

The Roman Church also allows married men to be ordained deacons.

Each church Sui Iuris may be more restrictive in its priestly selection than Rome requires… as may each particular church (read: diocese, province, or exarchate).
 
Could an American move to another country, be ordain a priest and then return to the U.S. ordained?

**It happens all the time, especially among the Ukrainian Catholics.

I have personally met such.**
 
Could an American move to another country, be ordain a priest and then return to the U.S. ordained?

It happens all the time, especially among the Ukrainian Catholics.

I have personally met such.
Vladyka Kudrick of Parma has already ordained at least 3 married men to the Holy Priesthood for his Eparchy as well…
 
…The Byzantine Catholic Metropolitan Church of Pittsburgh, Sui Iuris, has not yet formally opened the seminary to married men bound for the priesthood. There are a few married priests who have come from outside the metropolia, in the Homelands of the Ruthenian Church…
Bishop John of the Eparchy of Parma has ordained at least two (that I know of) married men to the Byzantine Catholic priesthood in recent years. Both ordinations occurred in the USA, at the cathedral in Parma (Ohio).

To my knowledge, the bishops of the other three eparchies that comprise the Metropolia (Pittsburgh, Passaic and Van Nuys) have not yet ordained any married men to the priesthood.

EDIT: OOPS! Guess I’m a bit too slow on the “send” button. Thanks, Patchunky, for “chimin’ in”… and for the numerical update!

🙂
 
Bishop John of the Eparchy of Parma has ordained at least two (that I know of) married men to the Byzantine Catholic priesthood in recent years. Both ordinations occurred in the USA, at the cathedral in Parma (Ohio).

To my knowledge, the bishops of the other three eparchies that comprise the Metropolia (Pittsburgh, Passaic and Van Nuys) have not yet ordained any married men to the priesthood.

EDIT: OOPS! Guess I’m a bit too slow on the “send” button. Thanks, Patchunky, for “chimin’ in”… and for the numerical update!

🙂
He also ordained one in Rome (who happens to be a dear and close friend of mine) and also has one from Slovakia who is here with his wife and family…👍
 
Aside from things I’ve heard that are happening. Could an American move to another country, be ordain a priest and then return to the U.S. ordained? And NO! I’m not planning to attempt it. Just curious because in the past I admit it did cross my mind. I’ve decided to stay Latin Catholic for my family’s sake. But frankly, I lean towards the east so to speak. And even if I did go to the Eastern Catholic side I’d stay within what is allowed…probably just a deacon.
From what I hear that has happened several times. People go oversees to go to seminary and they come back as married priests.
 
From what I hear that has happened several times. People go oversees to go to seminary and they come back as married priests.
This does not happen anymore unless the student is fluent in Slovak or Ukrainian. The seminaries are FILLED in Slovakia and Ukraine with the best and brightest students being sent to study at the seminaries in Rome.

The Ukrainians are sending students to St. Josephat’s in Washington,DC but all studies are done in Ukrainian.
 
As far as I know, that is possible. The original restriction on married priests was in regards to ordaining married men IN the States. I don’t believe it had anything to do with married priests being licitly transferred here.

**Cum episcopo, Cum data fuerit, and especially Ea semper (or “We’ve always done it that way”–the papal bull that established American Orthodoxy) specifically said that Eastern rite priests who intend to go to the USA must be celibate.

This was honored more in the breach.**
 
As far as I know, that is possible. The original restriction on married priests was in regards to ordaining married men IN the States. I don’t believe it had anything to do with married priests being licitly transferred here.

Cum episcopo, Cum data fuerit,
and especially Ea semper (or “We’ve always done it that way”–the papal bull that established American Orthodoxy) specifically said that Eastern rite priests who intend to go to the USA must be celibate.

This was honored more in the breach.
I forget the details, but if I recall correctly the first ban was against married eastern priests in western Europe, particularly France in the late 19th century. This ruling was extended to include North America shortly afterward but before the end of that decade.

Then came Ea Semper, another ban of married priests, this one very formal and well publicized, in 1907. As you alluded here the number of flights to Orthodoxy continued apace.

I do not know why the ban had to be repeated in Cum Data Fuerit in 1929, but it certainly was. This may be an indication that the earlier bans were being ignored or conveniently forgotten occasionally. (I will just speculate here but it seems certainly possible that the new ban would be viewed by the Vatican as more enforceable considering the fact that the Moscow Patriarchate was under suppression from the Reds, and therefore the Orthodox Metropolia in North America was divided and seemed less of an appealing alternative.)

It is has been said by some that the issuance of Cum Data Fuerit was at the request of the Latin bishops of the United States. I cannot verify that but it has been repeated a lot. I recall reading that the ban was extended to Australia and I only know that because of a news item somewhere within the last decade announcing the Australian bishops conference apologizing to the Eastern Catholics over it. I don’t know how the Melkites or Maronites were affected by all of this.

As has been stated the Ukrainian Catholics got around the ban when they could, just as the original poster here suggested. As I recall the ordinations were considered “valid, but illicit” but not opposed by Rome after the fact.

I should point out that the ban specifically forbade married priests from Europe coming to North America. So this gimmick of going to Europe for ordination was not a loophole, it was a challenging violation. The advantage was that it was less likely to be noticed, not that it was OK somehow.

The tactic is no longer necessary because the Vatican is no longer enforcing this ban and the Ruthenians as well could go back to openly ordaining married men if they wanted to. Kudos to Vladyka John of Parma (my favorite EC bishop) for his efforts. I think the biggest problem now is finding candidates, many people are still unaware that it is now possible to prepare for the priesthood and also date women with alacrity. 🙂

[As a side note, Cardinal Lubomyr Husar was made a bishop in a similar manner (in Rome but without Papal permission or notification), by Cardinal Slipyj once he was released from the Gulag. His consecration was probably as a consequence illicit.]
 
[As a side note, Cardinal Lubomyr Husar was made a bishop in a similar manner (in Rome but without Papal permission or notification), by Cardinal Slipyj once he was released from the Gulag. His consecration was probably as a consequence illicit.]
Cardinal Slipyj was given permission to ordain some bishops in secret, in order to preserve the Eastern Church in Slavic lands.

Just like the Bishops in China are allowed to Ordain new bishops from among the Priests without consulting Rome, as the consultation is so risky as to Martyr them.
 
Cardinal Slipyj was given permission to ordain some bishops in secret, in order to preserve the Eastern Church in Slavic lands.

Just like the Bishops in China are allowed to Ordain new bishops from among the Priests without consulting Rome, as the consultation is so risky as to Martyr them.
Interesting fact.

Except in this case the bishop was not intended for service behing the Iron Curtain, as we used to call it.🙂

He very publicly served the church in the USA , Canada and western Europe.
 
Interesting fact.

Except in this case the bishop was not intended for service behing the Iron Curtain, as we used to call it.🙂

He very publicly served the church in the USA , Canada and western Europe.
He abused the intent, but not the letter, of his permission.

It happens.

It turned out to be a positive effect on the Church, in the end.
 
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