Theory: Mary MORE than Church teaches

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Might one hold the following scenario and still be in accord with Catholic teaching?

We are all Angels (Souls), but we are the ones who followed Lucifer. (Original Sin).

We all chose to reject God and thereby chose to be banished from the Beatific Vision (Heaven). In the prayer “The Hail Holy Queen”, we are referred to as the “poor banished children of Eve”and “after this, our exile,” We were exiled from somewhere. In this scenario, the Garden of Paradise refers to heaven.

Mary, an angel, interceded with God and prevailed upon Him to grant us a second chance (Creation). She agreed to be the vehicle for Him to enter his Creation, thereby sacrificing her own Beatific Vision. (Mary’s redeeming “YES”. ”Be it done unto me according to your word”) earns her the title “Co-Redemptrix”.

“Creation”, in particular Earth, is where Lucifer and all the fallen angels were banished since Christ refers to Satan as the prince of this world.

Mary, an Angel (Soul) like us, was infused into a human body as we are, at conception.
However, she did not participate in the Original Sin as we did; hence, her conception is referred to as “Immaculate” or without the original sin.

Mary’s “Assumption” follows logically from Christ’s Ascension because both were sinless and their bodies did not warrant further “purification” or “transformation” (whatever that might be).

Please critique.

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There are many items here that could be commented on and corrected (which I’m sure others will address), but I can pick two right off the bat.
  1. For us to have been angels and chosen God or Lucifer at some time in the past implies pre-existence. This is clearly against Catholic teaching which says human souls are created by God at or around the time they are conceived.
  2. Also, we are not (and never have been and never will be) bodiless "angels. Angels are made to be bodiless spirits; it is their nature. Man is unique in that he is made to be a body/soul composite. After we die, we will temporarily be without our bodies until the Second Coming at the end of time (at which time our then glorified bodies and souls will be united for eternity), but we are created as and meant to be a body/soul unity. This is also clear Catholic teaching.
 
Sounds like one of the old Gnostic scenarios. Very creative, but there’s a pernicious aspect to this myth, in that it relates that God has to be convinced by one of his creatures to give humanity a second chance. God redeemed us because he wanted to, not because he was persuaded to do so.
 
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Might one hold the following scenario and still be in accord with Catholic teaching?

We are all Angels (Souls), but we are the ones who followed Lucifer. (Original Sin).

We all chose to reject God and thereby chose to be banished from the Beatific Vision (Heaven). In the prayer “The Hail Holy Queen”, we are referred to as the “poor banished children of Eve”and “after this, our exile,” We were exiled from somewhere. In this scenario, the Garden of Paradise refers to heaven.

Mary, an angel, interceded with God and prevailed upon Him to grant us a second chance (Creation). She agreed to be the vehicle for Him to enter his Creation, thereby sacrificing her own Beatific Vision. (Mary’s redeeming “YES”. ”Be it done unto me according to your word”) earns her the title “Co-Redemptrix”.

“Creation”, in particular Earth, is where Lucifer and all the fallen angels were banished since Christ refers to Satan as the prince of this world.

Mary, an Angel (Soul) like us, was infused into a human body as we are, at conception.
However, she did not participate in the Original Sin as we did; hence, her conception is referred to as “Immaculate” or without the original sin.

Mary’s “Assumption” follows logically from Christ’s Ascension because both were sinless and their bodies did not warrant further “purification” or “transformation” (whatever that might be).

Please critique.

Thanks,
Pax Tibi
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Just to re-iterate the above poster’s comment the belief that we existed without a body in heaven is contrary to the Church’s Teachings. And since we did not exist prior to our conception we were not angels that followed Lucifer (indeed angels are entirely different than people)

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Pax_Tibi said:
Might one hold the following scenario and still be in accord with Catholic teaching?

We are all Angels (Souls), but we are the ones who followed Lucifer. (Original Sin).
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we are not angels. Angels are pure spirits, created by God. Humans are body and soul. Mary is human. She is not an angel. She is not divine. The doctrine of the resurrection of the body means that for all eternity our human bodies will be reunited with our souls in heaven.
 
Something disturbs me about the notion of Mary having pre-existence. It’s not so much that it makes Mary divine, but it definitley seems to dilute the efficacy of the Incarnation. For me, personally, that Christ came is, of course, what redemption is about - but being born of a Virgin woman…not angel…really is the icing on the cake. God submitting Himself to the womb of an angel lacks the wholly personal aspect that I’ve come to appreciate about Mary.

Whether we’re fallen angels or not, I think the glory of man is in his not being angelic but human. The glory of the Incarnation is not that it could through, by, and for angels…but for mankind.
 
Not a viable Christian belief at all. As one poster above said it sounds like a New Age warm over of Gnosticism and Reincarnation and who knows what else.
 
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