Theory on happieness

[I_Seek_2]

Happiness what is it first off, second how can it be gained,

1. Can it be gained through materials.- yes and no, people who are rich aren’t thrilled by more money, but a poor widow will jump for joy when when is handed a few dollars to by a good meal. obviously it depends on the person
2. Can it be gained through people- Yes and no, Your family brings you happiness, your enemy brings you pain. Again it depends on the person and their relationship with another.
3. Can it be through religion?- Yes and no, Christians rejoice in their religion, but Muslims would call them all infidels.
4. Can fun(thrill) bring you happiness- Yes and no, a first time party goer would have the time of their life, but a long timer would say “ehh whatever”.

So as we can see it depends on the person, so my question is what is the key to happiness for everyone?

 

[James_S_Saint]

Joy (aka happiness) is derived by the perception of progress.

When anyone, human or not, perceives that they are getting closer to something accepted as a “good thing”, a goal of any sort, they consciously sense joy/happiness.

Though it is true that many people have declared a great variety of things as “good” despite the actual benefits from them, there are fundamental needs that instigated all of those urges and declarations of good. The point to having morals is to let you know when certain things (not all) are too socially dangerous to accept as good regardless of why you thought they would be.

The ultimate joy is felt when all of the urges report that positive progress is being made. Assuming such a state wasn’t artificially created (drugs), it comes about when the disharmonious urges are eliminated. When all of your urges are in harmony, you can feel no disappointment, sadness, or misery of any kind. Such a state is innately healthy because most of the fundamental urges had to do with health in the first place.

All of the instinctive urges are aimed at producing a surrounding of harmony through very strategic means. The mind/heart just gets confused (do often to those same immoral acts).

 

[I_Seek_2]

Joy (aka happiness) is derived by the perception of progress.

When anyone, human or not, perceives that they are getting closer to something accepted as a “good thing”, a goal of any sort, they consciously sense joy/happiness.

Though it is true that many people have declared a great variety of things as “good” despite the actual benefits from them, there are fundamental needs that instigated all of those urges and declarations of good. The point to having morals is to let you know when certain things (not all) are too socially dangerous to accept as good regardless of why you thought they would be.

The ultimate joy is felt when all of the urges report that positive progress is being made. Assuming such a state wasn’t artificially created (drugs), it comes about when the disharmonious urges are eliminated. When all of your urges are in harmony, you can feel no disappointment, sadness, or misery of any kind. Such a state is innately healthy because most of the fundamental urges had to do with health in the first place.

All of the instinctive urges are aimed at producing a surrounding of harmony through very strategic means. The mind/heart just gets confused (do often to those same immoral acts).

First of all hello again,

Then in theory there is no need for morals, other than Social safety. And could you explain social dangers?

 

[geometer]

Happiness begins when one enters into the reign of god on earth. It is the initiation into complete logistical freedom. Men and materials can be moved anywhere.

That is happiness.

 

[prodigalson12]

True happiness is Love, and Love is true happiness. Anything else falls short.

 

[James_S_Saint]

First of all hello again,

Then in theory there is no need for morals, other than Social safety. And could you explain social dangers?

Hello again

That which remains in harmony cannot perish. There is a point where disharmony becomes critical for any society, person, or thing. At that point, the entity is destroyed.

Social danger is any threat of creating critical disharmony. All morality is based on the do’s and don’ts of protecting harmony, existence of the entity.

But the assumptions that naive people make concerning what is or isn’t dangerous is, well… naive. Thus, there are morals that involve merely maintaining the directly critical morals (i.e. “do not blaspheme” and “leave morals up to the experts”).

The problem is that subtle things can lead to future critical disharmony while more obvious things that appear disruptive can actually increase the harmony. What actions lead to is the issue. That is why they speak of where to soul goes rather than where it is at, does it lead to Heaven - ultimate harmony, or does it lead to Hell - ultimate disharmony.

A person or group can get trapped into a situation of perpetual harmony or disharmony causing perpetual joy or perpetual torment.

 

[geometer]

Hello again

That which remains in harmony cannot perish. There is a point where disharmony becomes critical for any society, person, or thing. At that point, the entity is destroyed.

You mean while a couple is fornicating in a motel room they are completely protected from being destroyed by a nuclear blast?

 

[James_S_Saint]

You mean while a couple is fornicating in a motel room they are completely protected from being destroyed by a nuclear blast?

Well if they can maintain their harmony during that blast, then I’m sure they will still be there in the morning.

 

[I_Seek_2]

Well if they can maintain their harmony during that blast, then I’m sure they will still be there in the morning.

Yeah only if they were cockroaches, or twinkies :doh2:

Any how path to happiness, what is it?

 

[James_S_Saint]

Yeah only if they were cockroaches, or twinkies :doh2:

Any how path to happiness, what is it?

Anticipate no more than what “all that is”/Truth/Reality/God reveals.

You are the harmony of your;

1. Awareness of what is
2. Understanding of what is
3. Influence on what is

As each of those reinforce the others, you maintain your existence. The more accurate each is, the better they maintain that harmony, thus it is wise to;

1. Verify each of the above.

As you find ways to accomplish complete accuracy in those 4 things, you only anticipate or place hope in what they reveal and they only reveal what is really there, Truth/God. By thus you are never disappointed, never trapped, and never fail. What you “reach for” is only what you “wanted for” and was always there to be reached. You always get your highest hope, because you only hoped for the hope that was actually available. In all things, you experience the perception of progress in living and thus at all times, you know joy.

Such is the accomplishment known as enlightenment and the goal mentioned in all of the religions.

 

[I_Seek_2]

Anticipate no more than what “all that is”/Truth/Reality/God reveals.

You are the harmony of your;

1. Awareness of what is
2. Understanding of what is
3. Influence on what is

As each of those reinforce the others, you maintain your existence. The more accurate each is, the better they maintain that harmony, thus it is wise to;

1. Verify each of the above.

As you find ways to accomplish complete accuracy in those 4 things, you only anticipate or place hope in what they reveal and they only reveal what is really there, Truth/God. By thus you are never disappointed, never trapped, and never fail. What you “reach for” is only what you “wanted for” and was always there to be reached. You always get your highest hope, because you only hoped for the hope that was actually available. In all things, you experience the perception of progress in living and thus at all times, you know joy.

Such is the accomplishment known as enlightenment and the goal mentioned in all of the religions.

But nothing about what isn’t (I’m assuming you mean what is real in the universe) as in your imagination, such as art?

 

[Daedelus76]

“happy” comes from the idea of “happening”, chance, Fortune, Luck… basicly, divine favor or blessing. In fact, one translation of the Bible uses the word “happy” rather than “blessed” in the Beatitudes. There’s alot of real wisdom in the teachings of Jesus that are glossed over even by religionists in favor of the narrative elements of the Gospels.

I think real happiness comes from being other-directed rather than self-directed. And focusing on the good in other people and the bad in oneself, at the same time having the courage to forgive people that have hurt you, including yourself. And it’s not something we really do on our own.

 

[James_S_Saint]

But nothing about what isn’t (I’m assuming you mean what is real in the universe) as in your imagination, such as art?

Your imagination is for the function of contriving possibilities. When you use it for entertainment, you are usually merely wasting it (not always).

The love of being entertained by the beautiful, sexy, exciting, or whatever is a lust that blinds you from awareness of what is and thus brings disappointment and even misery once the trap you walked into is discovered.

It is generally wiser to entertain yourself with what is or can be rather than what isn’t.

 

[I_Seek_2]

Your imagination is for the function of contriving possibilities. When you use it for entertainment, you are usually merely wasting it (not always).

The love of being entertained by the beautiful, sexy, exciting, or whatever is a lust that blinds you from awareness of what is and thus brings disappointment and even misery once the trap you walked into is discovered.

It is generally wiser to entertain yourself with what is or can be rather than what isn’t.

then what will happen when we know everything? will we be board to tears?

 

[James_S_Saint]

then what will happen when we know everything? will we be board to tears?

If you were so foolish to accept your only hope from acquiring new knowledge, then yes, you would probably be board. But then, because you had gained all knowledge, you wouldn’t be so unwise.

 

[I_Seek_2]

If you were so foolish to accept your only hope from acquiring new knowledge, then yes, you would probably be board. But then, because you had gained all knowledge, you wouldn’t be so unwise.

Your assuming we’d be content with what we have?

 

[James_S_Saint]

Your assuming we’d be content with what we have?

Life is about observing what is around you and dealing with it. If you discover one day that nothing you can see or envision is changing, then you can be certain that you are in a state of delusion.

If you only act based on you level of dissatisfaction, then it is imperative that society keeps you dissatisfied, else it loses you (name removed by moderator)ut, your effort, your monetary value.

The Buddhist learns to be satisfied with “what is” (which happens to include what can be) and thus knows joy at all times. Knowing also of what can be, he doesn’t merely sit idle, but seeks to accomplish what seemed available to accomplish and nothing else. He doesn’t allow his life to get burned up by those wanting him to chase after false dreams so as to fuel the fire that merely warms their feet. Burning trees to warm your home is not very efficient and it might seem ethical enough to you… until you realize that you are that tree.

If you propose to be dissatisfied so as to gain joy, then you must always cycle between dissatisfaction and perceived accomplishment. You must run on a tread mill that really only provides energy for someone else. Such is the very cause of the state of society today. It is an old crude formula used to satisfy the few at the cost of the misery of billions.

The fear of being bored is manufactured. It uses an erroneous logic to support the weaker minds, “Nothing fails like success” - the promotion of the idea that you must never actually succeed, but rather only try to succeed - endless struggle, once called the realm of “Hell”.

 

[StrawberryJam]

If happiness is real, then we can make truth statements about it.

Since happiness is not an objective reality, we can’t make any truth statements about it.

Therefore it can be whatever you believe it is or is not.

 

[James_S_Saint]

If happiness is real, then we can make truth statements about it.

Since happiness is not an objective reality, we can’t make any truth statements about it.

Therefore it can be whatever you believe it is or is not.

Well, the scientist can’t because scientists can’t think (thinking is subjective). When they try, they come up with thoughts like, “if it isn’t objective, we can’t measure it, so it isn’t real and if it isn’t real, then we can’t know anything about it.”

Of course, “thinking” isn’t an objective thing either, thus they can’t make statements about that either, which could explain why they know so little about it. They don’t realize that to declare something true requires thought, even in their labs. But don’t tell them that, else they won’t be able to do anything at all.

 

[StrawberryJam]

Well, the scientist can’t because scientists can’t think (thinking is subjective). When they try, they come up with thoughts like, “if it isn’t objective, we can’t measure it, so it isn’t real and if it isn’t real, then we can’t know anything about it.”

Of course, “thinking” isn’t an objective thing either, thus they can’t make statements about that either, which could explain why they know so little about it. They don’t realize that to declare something true requires thought, even in their labs. But don’t tell them that, else they won’t be able to do anything at all.

Hello James,

Let’s say I am looking out my window right now at the lake. (I wish)
The lake is real.

Now I can make truth statements about it, like it’s name is Lake Michigan.

One must start with something real to make truth statements about it.