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I am confused about some things and I don’t know how to ask it. Deification. It includes three stages katharsis, theoria, theosis. Does this occur after baptism and continue to develop after death? Is one stage specific during life and another after death or not necessarily?

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I’ve not heard of any of these terms…could they be elaborated on by someone please?
 
I’ve not heard of any of these terms…could they be elaborated on by someone please?
Please someone correct me if I am wrong, but I believe in the Latin Rite we use the terms:

Purgative Way

Illuminative Way

and Unitive Way.

The Doctors of the Church on prayer such as St. John of the Cross and St. Teresa of Avila have written much on the subject of the spiritual prayer journey.
 
This is a traditional way of categorizing stages in the spiritual life, and seem to correspond to the “three ways” talked about in the west:

katharsis - purification
theoria - illumination
theosis - deification, union with God
 
This is a traditional way of categorizing stages in the spiritual life, and seem to correspond to the “three ways” talked about in the west:

katharsis - purification
theoria - illumination
theosis - deification, union with God
Yes! Thank you.
 
They are terms that are at the center of Byzantine/Eastern/Orthodox theology and praxis. Catharsis is emptying of sin. Theoria is the vision of God (or, in Byzantium, God’s “uncreated energies”/the “Tabor light”). Theosis is becoming one with God, a “partaker in the divine nature”.

It is a lifelong process, not a graded scale. Just because one has had theoria once doesn’t mean that one will exist in it for all time after that point.
 
I have to admit, I am extremely skeptical.
This is something that strikes most people as strange the first time they hear it. God became man so that men may become gods? :eek: Sounds Mormon or Hindu or New Age or something.

But really it’s a traditional, orthodox part of Catholic belief. It connects to 2 Peter 1:3-4: “His divine power has bestowed on us everything that makes for life and devotion, through the knowledge of him who called us by his own glory and power. Through these, he has bestowed on us the precious and very great promises, so that through them you may come to share in the divine nature, after escaping from the corruption that is in the world because of evil desire.”

This doesn’t mean we become equal to God, lose our identity in God like a raindrop falling in an infinite ocean, or become additional Persons of the Holy Trinity. It means we in some sense share in God’s divinity by participation and in a partial way, especially through the Beatific Vision but beginning with our spiritual life here on earth.

How is it we can share partially in something that is infinite and indivisible? That’s a really hard question.

The Easterns conceptually divide God into an Essence which we can never see or participate in and uncreated divine Energies which we can see and participate in, but this has the disadvantage of seeming to divide God into parts or even to verge towards a kind of ditheism, though this is not at all what they mean.

We Westerns tend to better maintain the idea of the unity of God and focus on the human being’s finite ability to experience this God, thus preserving the idea of God from artificial division and reminding ourselves that the difference lies in our own perception not in God, but that doesn’t answer the question of what exactly we experience in the Beatific Vision or earlier in our spiritual lives if it is God but not the entirety of the simple, indivisible God.

It’s highly mysterious and probably impossible for us to figure out in this life. The thing to keep in mind is that we as Christians are called to a very intimate communion with God, one in which we participate in but are not absorbed into God or made equal to God.
 
I believe this is actually a statement made by one of the ancient Fathers of the Church.
I know, that’s why I mentioned it. Another, similar quote which I debated also including was “God became man so that man may become God.” I’m pretty sure one of those quotes is by St. Jerome and one by another Father, but I’d have to look it up. I think both are given in the Catechism of the Catholic Church somewhere, or at least one of them.

Edit: I mentioned the one that says “gods”; I just noticed your quote is the one that says “God”.
 
I know, that’s why I mentioned it. Another, similar quote which I debated also including was “God became man so that man may become God.” I’m pretty sure one of those quotes is by St. Jerome and one by another Father, but I’d have to look it up. I think both are given in the Catechism of the Catholic Church somewhere, or at least one of them.

Edit: I mentioned the one that says “gods”; I just noticed your quote is the one that says “God”.
It was stated by St. Irenaeus and St. Athanasius, among others.
 
Maybe it wasn’t St. Jerome. Anyway, here’s a bunch of cut and pasted quotes from Wikipedia. :o
2 Peter 1:4 explicitly speaks of becoming “partakers of the Divine nature”. Closely allied are the teachings of Paul the Apostle that through the Spirit we are sons of God (as in chapter 8 of his Epistle to the Romans) and of the Gospel according to John on the indwelling of the Trinity (as in chapters 14-17).[1]. In John 10:34, Jesus himself quoted Psalms 82:1 in saying “Ye are gods.”
St. Irenaeus of Lyons stated that God “became what we are in order to make us what he is himself.”[5]
St. Clement of Alexandria says that “he who obeys the Lord and follows the prophecy given through him . . . becomes a god while still moving about in the flesh.” [6]
St. Athanasius wrote that “God became man so that men might become gods.”[7]
St. Cyril of Alexandria says that we “are called ‘temples of God’ and indeed ‘gods’, and so we are.”
St. Basil the Great stated that “becoming a god” is the highest goal of all.
St. Gregory of Nazianzus implores us to “become gods for (God’s) sake, since (God) became man for our sake.”
It quotes Athanasius: “The Word became flesh … that we, partaking of his Spirit, might be deified” (De Decretis, 14); and Cyril of Alexandria: “We have all become partakers of Him, and have Him in ourselves through the Spirit. For this reason we have become partakers of the divine nature” (In Ioannem, 9).[1]
Saint Augustine pictured God telling him: “I am the food of grown men, grow, and thou shalt feed upon Me, nor shalt thou convert Me, like the food of thy flesh, into thee, but thou shalt be converted into Me.”[8] “To make human beings gods,” Augustine said, “He was made man who was God” (sermon 192.1.1) This deification, he wrote, is granted by grace, not by making part of the divine essence: “It is clear that he called men gods being deified by his grace and not born of his substance. For he justified, who is just of himself and not from another, and he deifies, who is god of himself and not by participation in another. … If we have been made sons of god, we have been made gods; but this is by grace of adoption and not of the nature of our begetter” (en. Ps. 49.1.2).
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divinization_(Christian

There are more quotes in the article but I don’t want to break CAF rules about long posts consisting mostly of quotes.
 
It is indeed a traditional teaching, taught by St Iraeneus, St Athanasius, St Gregory of Nyssa, St Thomas Aquina, St John of the Cross etc

From the RCCC art 1129 The Church affirms that for believers the sacraments of the New Covenant are necessary for salvation.51 “Sacramental grace” is the grace of the Holy Spirit, given by Christ and proper to each sacrament. the Spirit heals and transforms those who receive him by conforming them to the Son of God. the fruit of the sacramental life is that the Spirit of adoption makes the faithful partakers in the divine nature52 by uniting them in a living union with the only Son, the Savior.

From the Summa Theologica III q1 a2

*for Augustine says in a sermon (xiii de Temp.): "Go was made man, that man might be made God.
*
theosis = partaking in the divine nature.
But divinisation does not mean that our substance changes and literally fusionates with God, but that you become like “transparent” to God

Read this page of the Ascent of Mount by St John of the Cross where he explains what is theosis
ccel.org/ccel/john_cross/ascent.v.v.html

6. In order that both these things may be the better understood, let us make a comparison. A ray of sunlight is striking a window. If the window is in any way stained or misty, the sun’s ray will be unable to illumine it and transform it into its own light, totally, as it would if it were clean of all these things, and pure; but it will illumine it to a lesser degree, in proportion as it is less free from those mists and stains; and will do so to a greater degree, in proportion as it is cleaner from them, and this will not be because of the sun’s ray, but because of itself; so much so that, if it be wholly pure and clean, the ray of sunlight will transform it and illumine it in such wise that it will itself seem to be a ray and will give the same light as the ray. Although in reality the window has a nature distinct from that of the ray itself, however much it may resemble it, yet we may say that that window is a ray of the sun or is light by participation. And the soul is like this window, whereupon is ever beating (or, to express it better, wherein is ever dwelling) this Divine light of the Being of God according to nature, which we have described.

Also from The Apostolic Letter Oriental Lumen

vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/apost_letters/documents/hf_jp-ii_apl_02051995_orientale-lumen_en.html
  1. Certain features of the spiritual and theological tradition, common to the various Churches of the East mark their sensitivity to the forms taken by the transmission of the Gospel in Western lands. The Second Vatican Council summarized them as follows: “Everyone knows with what love the Eastern Christians celebrate the sacred liturgy, especially the Eucharistic mystery, source of the Church’s life and pledge of future glory. In this mystery the faithful, united with their bishops, have access to God the Father through the Son, the Word made flesh who suffered and was glorified, in the outpouring of the Holy Spirit. And so, made ‘sharers of the divine nature’ (2 Pt 1:4) they enter into communion with the most holy Trinity.”(11)
These features describe the Eastern outlook of the Christian. His or her goal is participation in the divine nature through communion with the mystery of the Holy Trinity. In this view the Father’s “monarchy” is outlined as well as the concept of salvation according to the divine plan, as it is presented by Eastern theology after Saint Irenaeus of Lyons and which spread among the Cappadocian Fathers.(12)

Participation in Trinitarian life takes place through the liturgy and in a special way through the Eucharist, the mystery of communion with the glorified body of Christ, the seed of immortality.(13) In divinization and particularly in the sacraments, Eastern theology attributes a very special role to the Holy Spirit: through the power of the Spirit who dwells in man deification already begins on earth; the creature is transfigured and God’s kingdom inaugurated.

The teaching of the Cappadocian Fathers on divinization passed into the tradition of all the Eastern Churches and is part of their common heritage. This can be summarized in the thought already expressed by Saint Irenaeus at the end of the second century: God passed into man so that man might pass over to God.(14) This theology of divinization remains one of the achievements particularly dear to Eastern Christian thought.(15)

On this path of divinization, those who have been made “most Christ - like” by grace and by commitment to the way of goodness go before us: the martyrs and the saints.(16) And the Virgin Mary occupies an altogether special place among them. From her the shoot of Jesse sprang (cf. Is 11:1 ). Her figure is not only the Mother who waits for us, but the Most Pure, who - the fulfillment of so many Old Testament prefigurations - is an icon of the Church, the symbol and anticipation of humanity transfigured by grace, the model and the unfailing hope for all those who direct their steps towards the heavenly Jerusalem.(17)*
 
A very similar prayer is said by the Priest in the Roman Liturgy while pouring the water into the Chalice in which there is already wine:

“By the mystery of this water and wine may we come to share in the divinity of Christ, who humbled himself to share in our humanity.”

So the concept isn’t unique to East and West, but the terminology is different.

God Bless,
Pakesh
 
From the RCCC art 1129
I don’t want to derail the thread, but the book you are quoting from is called the Catechism of the Catholic Church, commonly abbreviated CCC. I can only guess what your “R” might stand for and your motivations for introducing it. In any case the letter does not appear anywhere in the title of the book (except in “Church”), and using it could cause confusion as to what you are quoting from.
 
i thought it was roman catholic catechism of the catholic church
english is not my first language

“I can only guess what your “R” might stand for and your motivations for introducing it”

what are you talking about ? Am i being suspected of anything ?
 
i thought it was roman catholic catechism of the catholic church
english is not my first language

“I can only guess what your “R” might stand for and your motivations for introducing it”

what are you talking about ? Am i being suspected of anything ?
Don’t worry, I didn’t accuse you of anything because I know this is the internet and it’s hard to figure people out. Some people add the word “Roman” to anything Catholic out of anti-Catholic (and perhaps also anti-Roman) motivations, but I presume that wasn’t your intent. Maybe even the book is published under a different title in French, besides the language difference of course.

The problem is there is another, quite distinct and older work called the Roman Catechism, and there has been confusion on this site about the two before, so it’s good to keep the English titles straight. 🙂

Sorry for the side conversation. Now back on topic folks!
 
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