There are 15000 homosexual animals but only humans have homophobia argument

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I like this approach let me know what you think.
Certain other things are natural insest, pedophilia, multiple sex partners. The fact that all this is a moral issue in humans show that we are not animals. In fact it’s because we are people; people deserving of love because of our very personhood.
Pope John Paul says this in “Love and Responcibility”, “not only because persons are aware of the purpose of sexual life, but also because they are aware that they are persons. The whole moral problem of ‘using’ as the antithesis of love is connected with this knowledge of theirs” (p. 33).

I don’t think using animals is a good argument because even those perpetuating it acknowledge we are not animals. The real issue is where do we draw the line? What really makes us different than animals? I think PJPII did a good job above. But then what constitutes love and use, and how can it be applied to homosexuals?
 
I don’t think the above argument constitutes ‘homophobia’. If it did, all phobias would be justification for behavior. There are those who have phobias of doors, does that make doors an evil? Phobia of spiders? (well maybe spiders are a little evil 😉 )

I do think it’s a valid argument but I think the word homophobia detracts from the argument in that it claims a fear of homosexual people. Where as I am not scared of any of them, nor of any of their behavior. I do however see it as a moral issue, which has nothing to do with a fear.
 
Totally with you: as I said elsewhere (I think it was in the “gay” penguin thread a few weeks back), it seems like the one thing that both the proponents and the opponents of gay marriage can agree on is using animal behavior as something to support their arguments, with the former pointing to animals like bonobo chimps, which practice same-sex methods of pleasuring each other, and the latter pointing to monogamous species like swans and pigeons. It’s as absurd as it gets, for one thing, animal psychology is not the same as human psychology, since we’re not the same species. For another thing, we’re the only creatures who are completely self-aware and moreover, aware of a Higher Power by whatever name we choose to give it (ie. God, G-d, Allah, etc) to Whom we’re answerable for our actions, right or wrong.

Edited To Add: Completely off-topic but: Yaay! my 1,001st post!!
 
So what are you saying?

Because there are gay animals it is fine for humans to be gay?

Animals kill each other, is it okay for us to kill each other?

Ad nauseam.
 
Odell said:
I like this approach let me know what you think.
Certain other things are natural insest, pedophilia, multiple sex partners. The fact that all this is a moral issue in humans show that we are not animals. In fact it’s because we are people; people deserving of love because of our very personhood.
Pope John Paul says this in “Love and Responcibility”, “not only because persons are aware of the purpose of sexual life, but also because they are aware that they are persons. The whole moral problem of ‘using’ as the antithesis of love is connected with this knowledge of theirs” (p. 33).

I don’t think using animals is a good argument because even those perpetuating it acknowledge we are not animals. The real issue is where do we draw the line? What really makes us different than animals? I think PJPII did a good job above. But then what constitutes love and use, and how can it be applied to homosexuals?
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The Animal Homosexuality Myth:

narth.com/docs/animalmyth.html
 
Thanks for the links. Also Id like to know if these supposed acts if they ever penetrate or “go all the way”
 
I love when the LGBT community brings this up. The reason I do is because you can completely back shot this at them!
You can bring their almost only little ‘reason homosexuality is ok’ to a ‘reason why it is not’ straight around at them & have them caught in their own trap.
Another reason I love when LGBT brings this up is because they like to find other ways like nature to help them instead of religion, but this fails miserably for them

Well, you could end this argument right now if you told them “A male & a male/female & female CANNOT/ are ENABLE to create their own children” Which is a HUGE part of nature.

Of course they are all going to say “Life isn’t all about extending your genes & having children”, but if that is so, why do they bring animals into this?

“There’s no “homosexual instinct” in animals
It’s poor science to ‘read’ human motivations & sentiments into animal behavior,
Irrational animal behavior is not a yardstick to determine whats morally acceptable behavior for man. In 1996, homosexual scientist Simon LeVay admitted that the evidence pointed to isolated acts, not homosexuality. The reproductive instinct among animals is always directed towards an individual of the opposite sex. Therefore, an animal can NEVER be homosexual.
Even though in the case of the Laysan albatrosses there is no homosexual activity (actual mating) going on within female-female pairs, it is noteworthy that homosexual activity is sometimes observed when there’s a shortage of one type of gender. same-sex sexual activity has been recorded in more than 450 different species of animals, but not exclusive homosexual sex! So no, animals can’t be gay. Humans are the only species where exclusively homosexual individuals and subgroups exist”

There are over 1,250,000 animal species that we know of today, that does not include the millions un-discovered.
There are more than 1,500 recorded species of animals preforming the ACT of cannibalism, that’s 3 times more than homosexual acts. I guess that means it’s ok for us to do it since it occurs so frequently in nature. Further more cannibalism is an actual ‘instinct’ in some animals, whereas homosexuality is a ‘behavior’.

But that brings me back to my point. The same instincts of every animal, such as reproduction, will always STAY the same, as a male horse cannot continue his species with another male horse, that would lead to extinction. Its a fact & its nature. So, homosexuality is UNNATURAL & against God’s law (Or whoever you believe in) of LIFE.

Hope that helped! God bless 🙂
 
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