There are 2,942 Catholic Denominations, Maybe more

[Syele]

Yes, indeed English is my first language.

Yes, one is “large” when compared to zero. That what “relative” means. One is relatively large when compared to zero.

On the other hand, let’s define “large” as one billion.

Now, there are NO Protestant denominations, and we must use some other word to describe those organizations to which Protestants belong.

Let’s call them “Anti-Catholic Social Clubs”.

Of which “Anti-Catholic Social Club” are you a member?

I am* not* Anti-Catholic.

My Church is *not *Anti-catholic.

Christan churches are more than “social clubs”. Even the Catholic Church recognizes Protestants as Christians.

You seem to have no sense of Christian Charity and therefore I’m done talking to you.

 

[Jean_Marie_1]

Nobody says there are no Protestant denominations. The point is, what difference does it make how many there are? None of the numbers are accurate, but really why should it matter? We need to bring unity not more disunity to the Body of Christ, and making up numbers to throw at each other does not bring unity.

I know many Protestants who are not anti-Catholic. It is uncharitable to label all of them as such.

Just how can one PROTEST something they are not against?

 

[Jean_Marie_1]

I am* not* Anti-Catholic.

My Church is *not *Anti-catholic.

Christan churches are more than “social clubs”. Even the Catholic Church recognizes Protestants as Christians.

You seem to have no sense of Christian Charity and therefore I’m done talking to you.

The Truth hurts, doesn’t it?

But, the Truth will set you free!

 

[lak611]

Just how can one PROTEST something they are not against?

From the Catechism of the Catholic Church: 818 “However, one cannot charge with the sin of the separation those who at present are born into these communities [that resulted from such separation] and in them are brought up in the faith of Christ, and the Catholic Church accepts them with respect and affection as brothers … All who have been justified by faith in Baptism are incorporated into Christ; they therefore have a right to be called Christians, and with good reason are accepted as brothers in the Lord by the children of the Catholic Church.”[272]

christusrex.org/www1/CDHN/church3.html#CATHOLIC

 

[Jean_Marie_1]

From the Catechism of the Catholic Church: 818 “However, one cannot charge with the sin of the separation those who at present are born into these communities [that resulted from such separation] and in them are brought up in the faith of Christ, and the Catholic Church accepts them with respect and affection as brothers … All who have been justified by faith in Baptism are incorporated into Christ; they therefore have a right to be called Christians, and with good reason are accepted as brothers in the Lord by the children of the Catholic Church.”[272]

christusrex.org/www1/CDHN/church3.html#CATHOLIC

That’s all fine and dandy, until a person becomes an ACTIVE Protestant. Then it is rather obvious that they are against the Church, which still doesn’t remove them from the Body of Christ, it only makes them an unhealthy CANCER that needs healing.

 

[Syele]

The Truth hurts, doesn’t it?

But, the Truth will set you free!

Well now, I was only going to stop discussing this with you, you are now on my ignore list.

Let me say this though, since you seem new here. Maybe you are wise enough to consider it. Many of the non-Catholics on this board are here seeking and considering converting to Catholicism, your attitude may well drive them away. Also “Protestant” is an old term and is no longer up to date, most "PROTESTants are not protesting anything, they were born and raised in the church they are in, Love God and do their level best to follow Him. Most of them know NOTHING of Catholics whatsoever and so cannot be considered anti-Catholic.

May God’s Peace be with you. Goodbye Jean Marie.

 

[Jean_Marie_1]

Just to let everyone know, I’m unabashedly pro-Catholic.

I don’t pull punches, I love Jesus, His Church, and I am upset that people offend Him by denying His Church.

 

[lak611]

That’s all fine and dandy, until a person becomes an ACTIVE Protestant. Then it is rather obvious that they are against the Church, which still doesn’t remove them from the Body of Christ, it only makes them an unhealthy CANCER that needs healing.

The Catechism says Protestants are our brothers in Christ, not a disease. You are being very uncharitable here. The Catechism clearly states that Protestants who are born into their communities are not sinning by breaking away from the Church. The Catechism does not say that they are not allowed to practice their faith. The poster whom you are arguing with is not trying to convert Catholics to Protestantism.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

I think the point being made was, that if you apply the same criteria that is applied to come up with 30,000 protestant denomnations, to Catholicism, you come up with over 2,000 Catholic denominations.

Actually you don’t. The 30,000(not sure of the accuracy of the exact number here) protestant denominations are independently founded churches, who’s authority is none other than the founder or group who founded it.

The Eastern Rite and Latin Rite parts of the Catholic Church are still the same denomination, i.e. Roman Catholic.

There are also other’s who call themselves catholic, but are not part of the Roman Catholic Church. Anglicans and Episcopalians call themselves Catholic, but are not.

Jim

 

[Syele]

Actually you don’t. The 30,000(not sure of the accuracy of the exact number here) protestant denominations are independently founded churches, who’s authority is none other than the founder or group who founded it.

The Eastern Rite and Latin Rite parts of the Catholic Church are still the same denomination, i.e. Roman Catholic.

There are also other’s who call themselves catholic, but are not part of the Roman Catholic Church. Anglicans and Episcopalians call themselves Catholic, but are not.

Jim

Jim, when people say 30,000 denominations they are usually citing Barretts work, Barret DID come up with over 2k Catholic denominations and those were included in the 30,000 people are quoting. My point is that Barrets work is NOT correct so don’t cite it…

 

[rr1213]

Just how can one PROTEST something they are not against?

That’s where you simply don’t get it. The term “Protestant” is a label, given by Catholics no doubt, to those Churches that originally separated from the Catholic Church during the Reformation of the 16th Century. Over time, the term has come to be applied to a more broader group of non-Catholics. Most don’t believe that they are protesting anything. A more accurate description for many of these people would be “evangelicals”.

Just because you don’t hold to a thing does not necessarily mean that you are against it or that you are protesting it. By your understanding, the SSPX and the Orthodox Churches are Protestant Churches as well. After all, they aren’t Catholic.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Jim, when people say 30,000 denominations they are usually citing Barretts work, Barret DID come up with over 2k Catholic denominations and those were included in the 30,000 people are quoting. My point is that Barrets work is NOT correct so don’t cite it…

If he came up with 2k Catholic Denominations, he should be able to name at least 10.
He can’t because they’re not seperate denominations.

Jim

 

[JoeyWarren]

Actually, the point was that this absurd numer for Catholics is based on the same methodology used to arrive at the 30,000+ number for Protestants. Neither number is correct, yet if Catholics wish to persist in the misrepresentation then what is good for the goose is good for the gander.

Point duly noted.

 

[Syele]

If he came up with 2k Catholic Denominations, he should be able to name at least 10.
He can’t because they’re not seperate denominations.

Jim

He did. That dosn’t make his definition of “Denomination” any more correct.

He lists each of these as “Traditions” and gives each tradition several division he calls “denominations”
Catholic Apostolic, Reformed Catholic, Old Catholic, Conservative Catholic, oman Catholic, Latin-rite local, Latin-rite catholic, Latin/Eastern-rite local, Latin/Eastern-rite catholic, Syro-Malabarese, Ukrainian, Romanian, Maronite, Melkite, Chaldean, Ruthenian, Hungarian, plural Oriental rites, Syro-Malankarese, Slovak, and Coptic

So 21 “traditions” he names and then he goes on to name many more (actually 2,942) “denominations” within those 21.

But all this misses the point. The point is that he is wrong and some Catholics here still insist on quoting him as an authority.

 

[lak611]

He did. That dosn’t make his definition of “Denomination” any more correct.

He lists each of these as “Traditions” and gives each tradition several division he calls “denominations”
Catholic Apostolic, Reformed Catholic, Old Catholic, Conservative Catholic, oman Catholic, Latin-rite local, Latin-rite catholic, Latin/Eastern-rite local, Latin/Eastern-rite catholic, Syro-Malabarese, Ukrainian, Romanian, Maronite, Melkite, Chaldean, Ruthenian, Hungarian, plural Oriental rites, Syro-Malankarese, Slovak, and Coptic

So 21 “traditions” he names and then he goes on to name many more (actually 2,942) “denominations” within those 21.

But all this misses the point. The point is that he is wrong and some Catholics here still insist on quoting him as an authority.

I don’t even see the point of reading such a book. It serves no purpose, especially since it is so inaccurate. It might as well be on the shelf in the fiction department of the library.

 

[Mickey]

most "PROTESTants are not protesting anything

Perhaps not, but this one seems quite angry.
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[Syele]

I don’t even see the point of reading such a book. It serves no purpose, especially since it is so inaccurate. It might as well be on the shelf in the fiction department of the library.

I only read some of it because I needed to understand where people were getting their info. When I saw where the info came from I was really quite disappointed in them. I will probably go photocopy the page of the book this info is on next time I go to the University Library, so I can see the actual page when this comes up, because for some reason, people are bent on it being only how they want it to be and not how it really is.

My opinion of Catholics on this board is usually quite high and I was at the idea that otherwise scholarly people were just grabbing random numbers to make themselves look good. It makes me even sadder to see I’m considered anti-Catholic as a result of not liking to be given false info.

 

[Syele]

Perhaps not, but this one seems quite angry.
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I did get a bit angry at being called an anti-Catholic. I have always tried to be charitable on these forums, never tried to convert anyone, apologized when I was wrong and have even considered converting to Catholic in the past.

Mostly I was sad to see so many people quoting false info and like I said before would have wanted to be set straight if I did something similar. I’m sorry if I seemed angry otherwise.

 

[lak611]

My opinion of Catholics on this board is usually quite high and I was at the idea that otherwise scholarly people were just grabbing random numbers to make themselves look good. It makes me even sadder to see I’m considered anti-Catholic as a result of not liking to be given false info.

I am sorry that you were treated so uncharitably. I don’t like being given false information either. That book is clearly wrong on the numbers in general, whether referring to Catholics, Protestants or Orthodox.

 

[Mickey]

I did get a bit angry at being called an anti-Catholic. I have always tried to be charitable on these forums, never tried to convert anyone, apologized when I was wrong and have even considered converting to Catholic in the past.

Mostly I was sad to see so many people quoting false info and like I said before would have wanted to be set straight if I did something similar. I’m sorry if I seemed angry otherwise.

Sorry Syele. I was joking with a play on words-- protest ant–get it?

I was not referring to you. You are usually most charitable.

When participating on forums you must grow a thick skin sometimes. I have seen evangelicals bashing Catholic, Catholics bashing evangelicals, Orthodox bashing Catholics, Catholic bashing Orthodox—it is all quite common on the medium of forums. If someone is relentless, the best thing to do is to put them on your ignore list–which you did.

In the letter to the Ephesians, St Paul talks about truth working in love. This is something we must remember. Truth without love is empty logic. Love without truth is only sentimental and emotional. But truth working in love is synonymous with the mind in the heart–and this is where we find peace—this is where we find Christ.

Blessings to you,
Mickey