There's no OSAS

[Fisher]

How do you explain those passages in bold? who is to know for sure they have salvation since they all believe in the Lord, do work for the Lord as the passage says. doesnt many among do these things? who is to say for sure i am pleasing the Lord for i am doing His will? so we can only hope some of us are.

what do understand as being born again?

Hbr 11:6** But without faith **[it is] **impossible to please [him]: **for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and [that] he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

To understand this Biblical term, it is necessary to understand that there are TWO BIRTHS. The “first” birth is the PHYSICAL BIRTH when you were born into this world from your mother and father. When the Bible speaks of being “born of water,” it is speaking about the physical birth (NOT baptism). The “second” birth is a SPIRITUAL BIRTH, which means to be born of the “Spirit” (God’s Holy Spirit). This raises a couple of questions: Why does a person need to be born spiritually?..and, What is a “spiritual” birth?

The Bible teaches that man is created in the image of God. God manifests Himself to mankind in the Persons of God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. Likewise, mankind is composed of a body, soul, and spirit. Our body is the “tent” you could say of the soul and spirit (the body is a temporary dwelling place). Our soul is composed of the heart (to feel), the mind (to think), and the will (to decide). Our spirit is dead in sin when we are born; that is, we are born void of God. No person is ever born with God. The only exception is the Lord Jesus Christ Who came as God in the flesh (1st Timothy 3:16). Our spirit is dead in trespasses and sin the Bible says…

“And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:” -Ephesians 2:1,2

“But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.” -1st Corinthians 2:14

If you are God’s Child, then He has promised to tell you that you are saved. “The Spirit itself BEARETH WITNESS with our spirit, that we are the children of God” (Romans 8:16). When you became a Believer upon Jesus Christ, the Godhead moved into your heart—God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit came into your soul to live forever. The Godhead lives within our body in the person of God, the Holy Spirit. It is God’s very Spirit that testifies to our own spirit that we are a Child of God.

heb017 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

heb012:007 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?

012:008 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

 

[Fisher]

This doctrine (OSAS)stems from the doctrine of “Sola Fide”-Faith Alone-and I contend that both OSAS & SF are unbiblical and scripture proves it.

Now I know that I’m going to get heat for the above statement and a flood of proof texts that says I’m wrong. Namely:

Galatians 3:11
Galatians 3:24
Romans 3:28
Romans 10:9-10
Acts 16:30-31
John 3:16
1 John 5:13
Ephesians 2:8-9

For every one of those texts my answer will be: Amen! I believe!

But I ask any of you where in any of those texts does the word “alone” follow the word “faith”.

And if I may I have a scriptural response for every one of those passages above:

My Response:

Galatians 3:11-------------------->Romans 2:13
Galatians 3:24-------------------->James 2:24
Romans 3:28J-------------------->ames 2:20
Romans 10:9-10-------------------->Matthew 7:21
Acts 16:30-31-------------------->Matthew 19:16-17
John 3:16-------------------->Hebrews 12:14
1 John 5:13-------------------->Philippians 2:12-13
Ephesians 2:8-9-------------------->Ephesians 2:10

1 Corinthians 13:13 "Faith, hope, and love abide these three but the greatest of these is…faith?

No, it says the greatest is love, not faith.

1 Corinthians 13:2 "If I have all faith so as to move mountains

(now that is some really powerful faith and according to Sola Fide it should be enough but is it?)…
…, but have not love, I AM NOTHING."

The Catholic Church teaches a doctrine that we are saved by Grace alone working THROUGH Faith and Works. We are saved by nothing but God’s free gift and our response to this gift is the act of believing and trusting in Him and the act of Loving Him and our neighbors as He has loved us. Nowhere does the Church teach that our works will save us, it is on the indvidual believer to live His life in love, prayer, and service to God and his fellow man. And in the end it is up to God and God alone to determine whether or not that person enters the eternal beatitude. And if the question is asked of that person by God why He should allow that person into heaven the answer will be because of Jesus’ death on the cross for me; not because of my faith, not because of my works, but because of what Jesus did for me and I did what Jesus told me to do.

Now if we are not saved by Faith Alone OSAS begins to fall apart.

OSAS claims that once you are saved that the sin you commit cannot seperate you from God.

Yet look at Romans 7:15
“For I do not do what I want, but I do the very things I hate.”

And 1 Cor 9:[27] but I pommel my body and subdue it, lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified.

Now you can say that Paul was one saved individual. Yet in all his letters, which mind you were written to those who were believers-those who according to SF & OSAS were saved-yet he wrote constantly about sin: Romans 12:21 & 15:15; Hebrews 10:26-29; 1 Corinthians 6:18 & 11:17-22 & 15:12; Ephesians 4:25-32 & 5:5; Colossians 3:25

See also:
James 2:1 & 4:1-4; Matthew 5:31-48 & 6:1-7; 1 Peter 1:1-2 & 2:1, 2 Peter 1:1 & 3:17

Other problems with OSAS:
What about enduring to the end?
~ Matthew 10:22
~ Hebrews 10:35-36
~ Hebrews 12:1

Hope? If you have 100% assurance of salvation why do you need hope?
~ Romans 8:24-25
~ Romans 15:13
~ Romans 5:2

It seems obvious that Paul didn’t have absolute assurance:
~ Philippians 3:10-13
~ 1 Corinthians 9:26-27

Other verses that wouldn’t make sense if Protestant view is true:
~ 2 Corinthians 13:5-6
~ 1 Thessalonians 5:23
~ Philippians 2:12
~ Hebrews 4:1,11
~ Colossians 1:21-23

The “Book of Life”
~ Revelation 20:15
~ Psalms 69:28
~ Revelation 3:1-5

If once one is saved that salvation cannot be removed why would king David ask God to do something that he knew couldn’t be done? Why would David ask God to blot out someone’s name from the book of life if he knew it couldn’t be done?

And finally:
~ Hebrews 10:38
~ Ezekiel 33:12-19
~ Ezekiel 18:21-24
~ 1 Timothy 4:1
~ John 2:11 with John 6:16-22, 66 They-his disciples- believed in Him, then they rejected Him.
~ 2 Timothy 3:16- (Just incase one tries to say that the OT no longer applies to the NT)

1John005:013 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
005:014** And this is the confidence that we have in him**, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:

 

[brkn1]

Is Judas Saved?

For in Acts we have:
For he was numbered with us and obtained a part in this ministry." (Acts 1:17)
and
And they prayed and said, “You, O Lord, who know the hearts of all, show which of these two You have chosen to take part in this ministry and apostleship from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.” (Acts 1 : 24-25)

Judas is clearly shown to have had a part in the ministry of the Apostles. He followed Jesus and accepted Jesus, though he misunderstood Jesus mission. Yet, by turning away from Jesus and betraying him Judas fell.

Peace
James

You are mixing up the words “ministry and apostleship” with “being in the Beloved”, which is the Gift of Salvation that comes by faith in Jesus Christ (in the Beloved).

The reference to those who said “Lord, Lord”, as Wisdomseeker pointed out, is talking about those who never got into the “Beloved” in the first place, as Judas never did, even though he was an apostle and minister of Christ.

When Jesus said “I never knew you.”, He was not talking about knowing everything about any and every person, which He always does as God. Jesus was talking about the intimate mutual knowing which comes from a chosen and thereby eternally saved saint being “In Christ” as “He is in them” through the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, Who seals the saints “in Christ”.

 

[Fisher]

“Do we then make void the law through faith? God Forbid: Yea, We Establish the Law.” -Romans 3:31

Romans 3:31 states: “Do we then make void the law through faith? God Forbid: Yea, We Establish the Law.” Just because a born-again person is free from under the condemnation of the Law, it does NOT give him or her permission to sin; rather, we must establish the law and keep it. Does a believer have a license to sin? … “Yes!” A believer can sin without fear of going to Hell. If this is not true, then the Bible is lying in Romans 4:5, Ephesians 2:8,9 and Titus 3:5—which plainly state that salvation is NOT by works! Get mad at God because He said it. However, no believer has God’s permission to sin, nor to make light of evil. **God hates sin and commands every believer to hate sin **(Psalm 97:10).

No one has God’s permission to live in sin; nevertheless, the Bible does teach that God only requires simple child-like faith in the Lord Jesus Christ to be saved and eternally secure. To those false prophets who would add holy living and works as requirements to receive the gift of God… you are in league with the Devil. No person can be saved by good works, and no man can be lost by bad works. The Bible declares that it is through a person’s FAITH by God’s GRACE that they are saved (Ephesians 2:8-9). Titus 3:5 proclaims, “Not by works of righteousness…” No person is saved by works. When the Apostle James speaks of “works,” he clearly says to show “me” your faith without your works. You see friend, we are justified with mankind by works because he cannot see into our heart, but with God we are justified by faith Who can see into our heart. If you add “works” to your faith in Christ,** then it is no faith at all and you are still bound for Hell in your self-righteousness. **

 

[Ronald_E]

Is Judas Saved?

For in Acts we have:
For he was numbered with us and obtained a part in this ministry." (Acts 1:17)
and
And they prayed and said, “You, O Lord, who know the hearts of all, show which of these two You have chosen to take part in this ministry and apostleship from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.” (Acts 1 : 24-25)

Judas is clearly shown to have had a part in the ministry of the Apostles. He followed Jesus and accepted Jesus, though he misunderstood Jesus mission. Yet, by turning away from Jesus and betraying him Judas fell.

Peace
James

James, What do you mean Judas fell? If Judas died killed himself before Jesus’ crucifixion would Christ have erased his sins?
He killed himself because he knew what he did and attempted to return the money. God knows what is in our hearts? What would be in the heart of Judas which would influence him to kill himself?
Tremendous guilt and remorse. Who can he go to with this pain?
He was blamed by the apostles for Christ’s death. However, he was told by Christ to do what he must. Without Judas there is no sacrifice for our sins.
The divine mercy of God is beyond human understanding and our Catholic faith tells us that we do not know what the fate of anyone is.
Another scripture message came to mind just now. Before Christ told Judas to do what he must, I think it was before, satan entered Judas and he left the room. When Peter told Christ that He should not have to suffer, Jesus told Peter, “Get behind me satan.” He corrected Peter, but, He did not correct Judas.

 

[Fisher]

How do you explain those passages in bold? who is to know for sure they have salvation since they all believe in the Lord, do work for the Lord as the passage says. doesnt many among do these things? who is to say for sure i am pleasing the Lord for i am doing His will? so we can only hope some of us are.

what do understand as being born again?

1Jo 4:13 Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.

 

[JRKH]

James, What do you mean Judas fell?

I did not say Judas fell, I only repeated what Peter said in Acts. See the quote Acts 1:24-25

If Judas died killed himself before Jesus’ crucifixion would Christ have erased his sins?
He killed himself because he knew what he did and attempted to return the money. God knows what is in our hearts? What would be in the heart of Judas which would influence him to kill himself?
Tremendous guilt and remorse. Who can he go to with this pain?
He was blamed by the apostles for Christ’s death. However, he was told by Christ to do what he must. Without Judas there is no sacrifice for our sins.
The divine mercy of God is beyond human understanding and our Catholic faith tells us that we do not know what the fate of anyone is.

I agree. We cannot know what another’s fate is. As a matter of fact I recognize that Judas’ fate is something of a debate in any case. My point in raising the quote is that here is another verse which demonstrates the ability to turn away from God’s Grace.

Another scripture message came to mind just now. Before Christ told Judas to do what he must, I think it was before, satan entered Judas and he left the room. When Peter told Christ that He should not have to suffer, Jesus told Peter, “Get behind me satan.” He corrected Peter, but, He did not correct Judas.

According to John 13:27, “Immediately after, Satan entered his heart. Jesus addressed himself to him: 'Be quick about what you are to do”. No response by Judas is recorded, but vs 30 says that Judas left right after eating “the morsel.”

Upon further reflection I see that these verses really do little to fortify either side of the discussion, as the situation with Judas is something of a special case. Therefore I wish to withdraw my posit relating to them.

Peace
James

 

[guanophore]

To understand this Biblical term, it is necessary to understand that there are TWO BIRTHS. The “first” birth is the PHYSICAL BIRTH when you were born into this world from your mother and father. When the Bible speaks of being “born of water,” it is speaking about the physical birth (NOT baptism).

You have been misinformed about this, Fisher. Baptism must be done with water under normative circumstances. In fact when Scripture speaks of natural human birth, nothing about water is mentioned:

John 1:12-13
2 But to all who received him, who believed in his name, he gave power to become children of God; 13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

Natural human birth is by blood, the will of the flesh, and the will of man.

Secondly, it makes no sense for Jesus to tell Nicodemus he must be born of “water and spirit” to see the Kingdom, since everyone has already been born naturally. It would be a redundant phrase if it referred to the water of natural birth.

Thirdly, we see many references to baptism, all about water!

 The "second" birth is a SPIRITUAL BIRTH, which means to be born of the "Spirit" (God's Holy Spirit).  This raises a couple of questions: Why does a person need to be born spiritually?...and, What is a "spiritual" birth?

That which happens by water and spirit, during baptism.

 Our spirit is dead in sin when we are born; that is, we are born void of God.

This is not correct either, but we can save this for another thread.
Can you explain the following passage about water?

John 4:1-2
Jesus was making and baptizing more disciples than John 2(although Jesus himself did not baptize, but only his disciples),

Since this occurred before Pentecost, what type of baptism do you imagine Jesus is doing?

 

[guanophore]

1John005:013 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
005:014** And this is the confidence that we have in him**, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:

Indeed! And what has the Apostle written? The Obedience of Faith.

1 John 1:5-10
6 If we say we have fellowship with him while we walk in darkness, we lie and do not live according to the truth; 7 but if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin. 8 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

Sin separates us from God.

Just because a born-again person is free from under the condemnation of the Law, it does NOT give him or her permission to sin; rather, we must establish the law and keep it. Does a believer have a license to sin? … “Yes!” A believer can sin without fear of going to Hell.

:bigyikes: It is this type of thinking that makes Catholics believe this OSAS doctrine is leading people down the road to perdition. However, I know most OSAS people will disagree with this rendering. Christians do not have “license” to sin under any circumstances. That is exactly what Paul is estabishing when he writes “shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? By no means!”. Freedom is not license. Freedom is the ability to choose and to act upon what is right, not a permission slip to do what is wrong. Sin separates one from God, no matter when it occurs. You are being misled.

If this is not true, then the Bible is lying in Romans 4:5, Ephesians 2:8,9 and Titus 3:5—which plainly state that salvation is NOT by works!

Choosing not to sin is part of the good works for which we have been created. Instead of stopping at vs. 9 of Eph. 2:8, try going on to v. 10!

Good works done in grace by faith are not “works of the flesh”. It seems that you have mixed up the two.

No one has God’s permission to live in sin;

How else would you define “license”?

nevertheless, the Bible does teach that God only requires simple child-like faith in the Lord Jesus Christ to be saved and eternally secure.

Well, here is a news flash for you, Fisher. The Bible does not “teach”. People teach. And whatever people are teaching you, some of the facts are getting left out!

To those false prophets who would add holy living and works as requirements to receive the gift of God… you are in league with the Devil.

Well, watch yourself, because such language can get you banned from here. No, holy living and works are the appropriate worship of the person hw has received the gift of salvation. They are not to be separated from it!

No person can be saved by good works, and no man can be lost by bad works.

On the contrary, everyone will be judged according to his works.

James 2:21-22
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he offered his son Isaac upon the altar? 22 You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by works,

The Bible declares that it is through a person’s FAITH by God’s GRACE that they are saved (Ephesians 2:8-9). Titus 3:5 proclaims, “Not by works of righteousness…”

and why are they saved? did you go back and read v. 10 yet?

If you add “works” to your faith in Christ,** then it is no faith at all and you are still bound for Hell in your self-righteousness. **

Well…perhaps the road is wide, and I will be sharing it with a lot of folks who believe they have a license to sin?

 

[Fisher]

Indeed! And what has the Apostle written? The Obedience of Faith.

1 John 1:5-10
6 If we say we have fellowship with him while we walk in darkness, we lie and do not live according to the truth; 7 but if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin. 8 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

Sin separates us from God.

Amen !

 

[guanophore]

Amen !

Given that you have provided your “amen”, how can you possibly champion the notion that the Christian has a “license” to sin! :bigyikes:

 

[brkn1]

I did not say Judas fell, I only repeated what Peter said in Acts. See the quote Acts 1:24-25

I agree. We cannot know what another’s fate is. As a matter of fact I recognize that Judas’ fate is something of a debate in any case. My point in raising the quote is that here is another verse which demonstrates the ability to turn away from God’s Grace.

According to John 13:27, “Immediately after, Satan entered his heart. Jesus addressed himself to him: 'Be quick about what you are to do”. No response by Judas is recorded, but vs 30 says that Judas left right after eating “the morsel.”

Upon further reflection I see that these verses really do little to fortify either side of the discussion, as the situation with Judas is something of a special case. Therefore I wish to withdraw my posit relating to them.

Peace
James

Jesus called Judas a “devil” and later called him “the son of perdition”.
You can be pretty sure that Judas’ fate is not a good one by that.

 

[guanophore]

Jesus called Judas a “devil” and later called him “the son of perdition”.
You can be pretty sure that Judas’ fate is not a good one by that.

Yes…

Matt 26:24-25
24 The Son of man goes as it is written of him, but woe to that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! It would have been better for that man if he had not been born." 25 Judas, who betrayed him, said, “Is it I, Master?” He said to him, “You have said so.”

But in keeping with the spirit of humility passed on to us by the Apostles, we leave the fate of the souls to God, and do not presume to know their fate.

 

[brkn1]

Given that you have provided your “amen”, how can you possibly champion the notion that the Christian has a “license” to sin! :bigyikes:

The “license to sin” means that you still have a free choice of how you use the talents God gave you.
You will be given a new nature that wants to serve the Lord and does not get real pleasure anymore from sin the way the old creature did.

You do not play “fast and loose” with the Father as His child in the Beloved (Christ).
Scripture is clear that there is a serious price (chastening) that God will apply especially to His own, as a Good Father does.

You can still be a “wicked servant” as is described in Jesus’ parable of the Ten Servants each being given a talent to invest for the Master. It was not the wicked servant that was described as being killed by the Master upon His return, but that servant suffered a loss of even the talent he wasted, which is what will happen to those who ignore the need to serve the Lord even after they receive God’s Gift of eternal salvation.

 

[Ronald_E]

Jesus called Judas a “devil” and later called him “the son of perdition”.
You can be pretty sure that Judas’ fate is not a good one by that.

Didn’t Jesus also call Peter satan? Does Jesus mean that they are under the influence of satan? Did Judas lose his free will when Jesus did not correct him like He corrected Peter?
When the Jews were slaves under the pharaoh God told Moses that He would make pharoah obstinate so the miracles would not show him the truth of God. Jesus stated that He had power over all of creation and he drove out demons. He could have prevented Judas from being influenced by satan. Did Judas have free will?
Was Judas forgiven when Jesus died on the cross; that’s if he was guilty in the first place?

 

[Fisher]

Given that you have provided your “amen”, how can you possibly champion the notion that the Christian has a “license” to sin! :bigyikes:

give me a break! I never said that, I said they dont have a license to sin when you become a child of God you get a licence not to sin. Are you going to tell me you dont sin any more? I know I am saved and thats all I can tell you. If you are God’s Child, then He has promised to tell you that you are saved. “The Spirit itself BEARETH WITNESS with our spirit, that we are the children of God” (Romans 8:16).

Whosoever will” may come! “…and him that cometh to me I WILL IN NO WISE CAST OUT” (John 6:37).

We read in Isaiah 1:18, “Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord: though your SINS BE AS SCARLET, they shall be AS WHITE AS SNOW; though they be RED LIKE CRIMSON, they shall be AS WOOL.” It’s interesting that the word “crimson” in Hebrew means “worm.” It was a worm used in the making of dyes for clothing. Stains are hard to get out! Perhaps you feel that your life has been permanently stained with sin and there is no hope for you. Oh yes there is! The blood of Jesus can wash away the toughest stains which sin may leave on your soul! “…Unto Him that loved us, and WASHED US FROM OUR SINS IN HIS OWN BLOOD” (Revelation 1:5). Jesus saves!

“And IF BY GRACE THEN IT IS NO MORE OF WORKS: otherwise grace is no more grace. But IF IT BE OF WORKS, THEN IT IS NO MORE GRACE: otherwise work is no more work.”

God can not lie!

“Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said,** I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.”** -Hebrews 13:5

“The eternal God is thy refuge, and underneath are the everlasting arms…” -Deuteronomy 33:27

“…ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory” (Ephesians 1:13,14).

“Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law” -Romans 3:31

If any one lives in sin and practice a sin and thinks Gods ok with it I would question my salvation. its like saying to my girl friend if you love me you will sleep with me. To say God must lower to are level. God hates sin so much he gave His Son to die for it. Its a free Gift. Its the highest priced Gift I every recived in my life. Gave gave his only begoten Son.

 

[Ronald_E]

I did not say Judas fell, I only repeated what Peter said in Acts. See the quote Acts 1:24-25

I agree. We cannot know what another’s fate is. As a matter of fact I recognize that Judas’ fate is something of a debate in any case. My point in raising the quote is that here is another verse which demonstrates the ability to turn away from God’s Grace.

According to John 13:27, “Immediately after, Satan entered his heart. Jesus addressed himself to him: 'Be quick about what you are to do”. No response by Judas is recorded, but vs 30 says that Judas left right after eating “the morsel.”

Upon further reflection I see that these verses really do little to fortify either side of the discussion, as the situation with Judas is something of a special case. Therefore I wish to withdraw my posit relating to them.

Peace
James

James, The only way I know you is from what you write. I admire how you express and conduct yourself here. Every other place I have seen your words you seem to write them with such strength of humility and clarity. Thank you for all you have written and shared.
When I questioned your statement about Judas I hope it did not offend you.

 

[JRKH]

James, The only way I know you is from what you write. I admire how you express and conduct yourself here. Every other place I have seen your words you seem to write them with such strength of humility and clarity. Thank you for all you have written and shared.
When I questioned your statement about Judas I hope it did not offend you.

No No not at all my friend. No offence taken.
The more I thought on the passage the less comfortable I became with it. The various responses only confirmed my feelings. It doesn’t change my basic position regarding the discussion.
I do thank you for the kind words.

Peace
James

 

[JRKH]

Originally Posted by guanophore
Given that you have provided your “amen”, how can you possibly champion the notion that the Christian has a “license” to sin!

I copied this from post number 124 which is from you:

Romans 3:31 states: “Do we then make void the law through faith? God Forbid: Yea, We Establish the Law.” Just because a born-again person is free from under the condemnation of the Law, it does NOT give him or her permission to sin; rather, we must establish the law and keep it. **Does a believer have a license to sin? … “Yes!” A believer can sin without fear of going to Hell. **If this is not true, then the Bible is lying in Romans 4:5, Ephesians 2:8,9 and Titus 3:5—which plainly state that salvation is NOT by works! Get mad at God because He said it. However, no believer has God’s permission to sin, nor to make light of evil. God hates sin and commands every believer to hate sin (Psalm 97:10).

I think it is safe to say that you DID Say that a believer has a license to sin without fear of going to hell.

Peace
James

 

[wisdomseeker]

“Do we then make void the law through faith? God Forbid: Yea, We Establish the Law.” -Romans 3:31

Romans 3:31 states: “Do we then make void the law through faith? God Forbid: Yea, We Establish the Law.” Just because a born-again person is free from under the condemnation of the Law, it does NOT give him or her permission to sin; rather, we must establish the law and keep it. Does a believer have a license to sin? … “Yes!” A believer can sin without fear of going to Hell. If this is not true, then the Bible is lying in Romans 4:5, Ephesians 2:8,9 and Titus 3:5—which plainly state that salvation is NOT by works! Get mad at God because He said it. However, no believer has God’s permission to sin, nor to make light of evil. **God hates sin and commands every believer to hate sin **(Psalm 97:10).

No one has God’s permission to live in sin; nevertheless, the Bible does teach that God only requires simple child-like faith in the Lord Jesus Christ to be saved and eternally secure. To those false prophets who would add holy living and works as requirements to receive the gift of God… you are in league with the Devil. No person can be saved by good works, and no man can be lost by bad works. The Bible declares that it is through a person’s FAITH by God’s GRACE that they are saved (Ephesians 2:8-9). Titus 3:5 proclaims, “Not by works of righteousness…” No person is saved by works. When the Apostle James speaks of “works,” he clearly says to show “me” your faith without your works. You see friend, we are justified with mankind by works because he cannot see into our heart, but with God we are justified by faith Who can see into our heart. If you add “works” to your faith in Christ,** then it is no faith at all and you are still bound for Hell in your self-righteousness. **

Oh my! so much confusion. where did you learn such interpretation ? How do you explain Faith without works is dead.