They got the Host back!

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I’m glad the lawsuit worked. The Archbishop did a great job of demonstrating how serious this offense is to us. I hope the attention on this group fades quickly. They don’t need any more attention than they have already been given.
 
want_to_know_2 said:
I’m so grateful that the host was returned, but am horrified that Christianity is so despised by some. If this was a meeting to burn a Koran or to vilify the atheists, it would not have been allowed and the press would have been going insane with the story. The archbishop did the right thing. I also believe that Christ can remove himself from a consecrated host if it is not used properly. He cannot suffer again.

I am new to the site. Does a priest visit and give guidance or is this just a group of people with their points of view?
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Mainly a group of people who enjoy discussing the news. It is monitored so things don’t generally get out of hand.
 
Non_Serviam said:
Not to be difficult, but when I read the news story this morning, the first thought that entered my head was “How does the Archbishop know?”

Dogma states that there isn’t anything different in the appearance after consecration, and I’m surprised that catholics are rushing to accept the word of satanists that this is the actual one stolen and not an unconsecrated one that’s been substituted.

So why is everyone so certain that they’ve returned it?
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This is what I was thinking too, they could have easily just returned an un-consecrated one…this kind of seems likely as it appears they gave in pretty quick to demands, almost too quick imo.

I guess we will find out though, if they manage to use the REAL consecrated host during this kind of thing, Id think the results would be clear to everyone! I dont think God would sit idly by and let that slide either.
 
We trust that satanists returned Jesus to be nice?

I will never believe it was returned. Why would it be? But I can think of a million reasons why both sides would want people to think it was returned.
 
It would appear the basis for believing the host was returned, other than it presumably looked like one of the hosts from whichever church from which it was taken, is that the satanist “leader” signed an affidavit of some kind.*With the return of the Host and an accompanying signed statement from the satanic group leader that the group no longer possesses a consecrated Host, nor will they use a consecrated Host in their rituals, the archbishop agreed to dismiss the lawsuit with prejudice.*Read more at National Catholic Register
 
MarcoPolo said:
It would appear the basis for believing the host was returned, other than it presumably looked like one of the hosts from whichever church from which it was taken, is that the satanist “leader” signed an affidavit of some kind.*With the return of the Host and an accompanying signed statement from the satanic group leader that the group no longer possesses a consecrated Host, nor will they use a consecrated Host in their rituals, the archbishop agreed to dismiss the lawsuit with prejudice.*Read more at National Catholic Register
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Thanks for posting the National Catholic Register link.
"we have a written agreement that the group will not use a consecrated host at their ‘black mass.’ This takes all significance out of their so-called mass,” Caspino said. “We are grateful for the courageous leadership of Archbishop Coakley.”
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Read more: ncregister.com/blog/joan-desmond/consecrated-host-for-satanic-mass-in-oklahoma-city-returned-to-bishop#ixzz3BJhFIzWJ
 
This is great news! I only wish that it wouldn’t have had to take a lawsuit to get it back. If only the Satanists would have had enough morals not to obtain it to begin with, regardless of how they obtained it. I read somewhere that a Catholic priest in Turkey mailed it to them. I have no idea how accurate that is though. The information I read said that this Catholic priest was also a Satanic priest. I find that hard to believe though.
 
Msgr. Charles Pope, while reflecting on the stolen Host told this story on his blog about an incident that happened to him while celebrating Mass some time ago…extraordinary!
It was almost 15 years ago. I was At Old St. Mary’s here in D.C. celebrating Mass in the Latin (Extraordinary Form). It was a solemn high Mass. I don’t suppose I thought it any different than most Sundays, but something quite amazing was about to happen.

As you may know, the ancient Latin Mass is celebrated “ad orientem” (toward the Liturgical East). Priest and people all face in one direction. What this means practically for the celebrant is that the people are behind him. It was time for the consecration. At this time, the priest is directed to bow low with his forearms on the altar table and the host between his fingers.

As directed, the venerable words of Consecration were said in a low but distinct voice, Hoc est enim Corpus meum (For this is my Body). The bells rang as I genuflected.

But behind me there was a disturbance of some sort; a shaking or rustling sound came from the front pews behind me to my right. And then a moaning or grumbling. “What was that?” I wondered. It did not really sound human, more like the grumbling of a large animal such as a boar or a bear, along with a plaintive moan that also did not seem human. I elevated the host and again wondered, “What was that?” Then silence. As the celebrant in the ancient Latin Mass I could not easily turn to look. But still I thought, “What was that?”

It was time for the consecration of the chalice. Again I bowed low, pronouncing clearly and distinctly but in a low voice, Hic est enim calix sanguinis mei, novi et ĂŚterni testamenti; mysterium fidei; qui pro vobis et pro multis effundetur in remissionem pecatorum. Haec quotiescumque feceritis in mei memoriam facietis (for this is the cup of my Blood, of the new and eternal covenant; the mystery of faith; which will for the many be shed unto the remission of sins. Whensoever you do this, you do it in my memory.)

Then, I heard another sound, this time an undeniable moan and then a shriek as someone cried out, “Leave me alone, Jesus! Why do you torture me?” Suddenly there was a scuffling noise and someone ran out with the groaning sound of having been injured. The back doors swung open and then closed. Then silence.

Realization – I could not turn to look for I was raising the Chalice high over my head. But I knew in an instant that some poor demon-tormented soul had encountered Christ in the Eucharist and could not endure His real presence displayed for all to see. And the words of Scripture occurred to me: Even Demons believe and tremble (James 2:19).

Repentance – But just as James used those words to rebuke the weak faith of his flock, I too had to repent. Why was a demon-troubled man more aware of the true presence and more astonished by it than I was? He was moved in a negative sense and ran. Why was I not more moved in a positive but comparable way? What of the other believers in the pews? I don’t doubt that all of us believed intellectually in the true presence. But there is something very different and far more wonderful in being moved to the depth of your soul! It is so easy for us to be sleepy in the presence of the Divine, to be forgetful of the miraculous and awesome Presence available to us.

Let the record show that on that day, almost 15 years ago, it was made quite plain to me that I held in my hands the Lord of Glory, the King of Heaven and earth, the just Judge and Ruler of the kings of the earth. Is the Lord truly present in the Eucharist? You’d better believe it; even demons believe that!
blog.adw.org/2014/08/demons-believe-and-tremble-a-reflection-on-the-theft-of-the-eucharist-by-satanists/
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Peace, Mark
 
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