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<<Fr.Groechel’s group keeps growing every year. How I pray other seminaries can be as fruitful.>>

Religious communities are NOT the same things as seminaries.

Traditionally, in the Franciscan, and for that matter monastic, vocations, very few of the brethren will be ordained deacons or priests.
 
That might be true, but in Fr. G’s order, many do become priests and some stay brothers. They have exact numbers in their articles/books, but I can’t get to them right now.
I was just thinking that no matter how many priests communities like his get, they don’t help the lone church in a suburb somewhere, they can fill in, but not be there all the time.

This, slightly off topic, was on their site, was Fr. G celebrated 50 years…

franciscanfriars.com/Articles/grayfriar_news_recent.htm
 
That might be true, but in Fr. G’s order, many do become priests and some stay brothers. They have exact numbers in their articles/books, but I can’t get to them right now.
I was just thinking that no matter how many priests communities like his get, they don’t help the lone church in a suburb somewhere, they can fill in, but not be there all the time.

This, slightly off topic, was on their site, was Fr. G celebrated 50 years…

franciscanfriars.com/Articles/grayfriar_news_recent.htm
Let’s clarify here. We all stay brothers. A brother is a friar. Friar is the Latin term for brother. A priest in our order is an ordained brother, but always a brother. The first vocation of every Franciscan man is to be a brother. Priesthood is a vocation within a vocation. It is up to the superior to decide if you have a call to the priesthood, not up to you. There is a mandate from the rule and from the General Council of Franciscan Superiors that all the branches of male Franciscans must place a cap on the number of men that they ordain to the priesthood. Otherwise the order becomes an order or priests. We are not an order of priests. We are an order of lay men who are consecrated by solemn vows to belong to Christ in the manner of St. Francis.

In many of our houses the use of the title Father is reserved only for the superior. No one else may use that title. If you notice our habits, we all dress the same. If you read our constitutions anyone can be superior: ordained or not. In fact, Fr. Benedict is the founder of the CFRs, but no longer the superior. You can only hold that pot for six years and then you return to the rank and file.

As to helping out in parishes, that is allowed by the rule, because Francis wrote that the friars are to be servants to the secular priests of the diocese. We consider them our masters and we treat them with great respect and love. When they need us, we try to respond as best we can, wtihout violating the rule. Most bishops understand the limits of the order. Those who don’t always ask us if we can do this or that for them, such as help out in a parish. They’re usually very kind to us.

But once again, we are always brothers because of our vows. When a man is ordained, he stil is bound by his vows to the order. Those do not go away. Vow are seprate from the sacrament of Holy Orders. The Sacrament of Holy Orders does not have vows. Only religious life has vows.

A proper understanding is that a priest can be a member of a brotherhood, if he has made vows within that brotherhood. Half of the priests that serve in our parishes are not. Therefore, they are not religious and have no vows to bind them to any way of life. Thus they are not consecrated brothers or consecrated in any way. They are ordained ministers.

Therefore, we do not have seminaries or seminarians. We have brothers who study at a seminary or at a local Catholic university to get a theological degree. But they are not part of the seminary family, because they are not secular men. Only seculars can be seminarians, not consecrated men. Most religious men studying to be priests do not study in seminaries. They study in houses of study, schools of theology or universities.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF
 
Thank you for your thoughtful and thorough response. I knew that about being brothers first, but reading an article about brothers on their site, I know some want to become priests, some are happy and feel called to lay brothers. They had an article about people thinking they were all “on the way to priesthood” I will put it below:
franciscanfriars.com/vocations/meet_the_brothers.htm
franciscanfriars.com/vocations/index2.htm

My thoughts were mainly that certain young men and women seemed to be drawn to communites such as this one and certain dioceses are without a priest. We have 2 joined churches in my community and just had 1 priest transfered so 1 priest does both. He had to cut a few masses to be able to do it. The Dominican church near me seems to do very well and I notice many communities as Fr. Groechel’s also do well in vocations.
My thoughts were that not as many decerning men seem to be drawn to the priesthood through their neighborhood seminary, but are drawn to what they see in these men and communities. Maybe that is part of our secular society and a thrist for something differerent.
 
Thank you for your thoughtful and thorough response. I knew that about being brothers first, but reading an article about brothers on their site, I know some want to become priests, some are happy and feel called to lay brothers. They had an article about people thinking they were all “on the way to priesthood” I will put it below:
franciscanfriars.com/vocations/meet_the_brothers.htm
franciscanfriars.com/vocations/index2.htm

My thoughts were mainly that certain young men and women seemed to be drawn to communites such as this one and certain dioceses are without a priest. We have 2 joined churches in my community and just had 1 priest transfered so 1 priest does both. He had to cut a few masses to be able to do it. The Dominican church near me seems to do very well and I notice many communities as Fr. Groechel’s also do well in vocations.
My thoughts were that not as many decerning men seem to be drawn to the priesthood through their neighborhood seminary, but are drawn to what they see in these men and communities. Maybe that is part of our secular society and a thrist for something differerent.
With all due respect to the laity, part of the problem is that many young men who are entering religious orders, even those who are being ordained to the priesthood do not want to serve in parishes. They want to do the work of their order. I have heard many of our own Franciscan friars from the different Franciscan congregations say that they do not want to serve in parishes because the laity does not respect their Franciscan way of life. The laity refuses to hear what they have to teach them and refuses to embrace the Franciscan spirit… To these young men the spirit of St. Francis is their soul. It is their way of following Christ. It is as if it were the school of perfection where Francis is the teacher.

This also happens with Dominicans, Carmelites and other religious men. Their founders, his ideals, his mission is the soul of their spiritual life. They want to go to parishes that are open to hearing this message and that will join them in following this spirit.

In the past, religious ran parishes, but never spoke much about their religious order or about their spirituality. The result was tragic. These men gradually lost their identity as Carmelites, Franciscans, Dominicans, etc. They stopped wearing their habit. They didn’t pray the Divine Office as was required by their founders. They spent more time with the parish and the laity than they did with their brothers. They hired house keepers to clean for them instead of observing poverty and doing their own cleaning and cooking. They rarely attended community retreats, recreation, mass and meetings, because they were too busy in the parish. They owned cars, which is contrary to the rules for religious. Religious are to share a car, not each one have a car. In the house, they lived like diocesan priests. They had TVs in their recreation rooms, they ate when they were hungry instead of eating together, just like diocesan priests do. Eventually, when they were transferred back to religious houses they had a hard time fitting in. Many left the religious life and joined the diocesan priesthood.

As a result, religious orders decided to refocus on religious life and train our young to be place religious life first, even over ministry. We teach our young religious to serve the laity, but to avoid being contaminated by them, not to adopt their way of life or give in to their demands. If they do, they will become absorbed and they will suffer the same fate as our men did from the late 1800s to the 1990s, almost 100 years. For this reason, few religious men want to serve in parishes. What we are going to see is more and more parishes closing down until the bishop can get enough secular vocations to fill those posts. In the diocese where I serve we have 121 parishes and about 10 staffed by religious. At one time more than 30% were staffed by Franciscans of different congregations. We had Carmelites, Dominicans, OMIs, Benedictines, Jesuits. Gradually, they had gotten older and the younger religious do not want to replace them.

We can ask, don’t they have to obey? The answer is yes they do. But the Superior is bound by obedience to the Chapter of the religious community. If the brothers, gathered in Chapter, mandate that the superior gradually withdraw from certain parishes, the Superior is bound to obey under pain of sin. The tendency is to keep those parishes that are poorer, immigrant, and where the spirit of the religious order is loved and appreciated by the congregation, also those parishes where the congregation understands thar religious life takes priority over the priesthood and the religious cannot be available 24/7. But they will always be available for emergencies. This is part of their duty when they take a parish. They’re not going to abandon the faithful either. They will expect the faithful to help carry the parish in the spirit of St. Francis, St. Ignatius, St. Teresa of Avila, St. Francis de Sales or whoever the spiritual master of the religious order happens to be.

We have only one parish. But everyone is very Franciscan. There is a great devotion to St. Francis and a great enthusiasm for the poor, the immigrant, the unborn, the Eucharist, the Blessed Mother, the Sacrament of Penance, youth and children. We have 74 ministries all led by the laity. The brothers make sure to visit each ministry as frequently as possible. In this parish there are seven friars. Two are priests. The superior is not a priest. But all the friars are involved in the parish in some way. They are always treated with great charity by the laity. You can feel the love that exists between the friars and the people. The people protect the friars when a new comer arrives and asks why the priest had to leave the confessional to attend community recreatoin. Immediately someone will pop up and say, “They are brothers. They have a family life like everyone else.”

It’s beautiful.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
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