They Put His Holy Name on their Building, Yet Refuse to Even Entreat Him

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I asked a couple of mormon missionaries if they ever pray to Jesus Christ and the answer was a flat out, “NO! We only pray to Heavenly Father” They told me they would come back next week to explain why.

Based on this, I assume that mormons reject the divinity of Jesus Christ and do not worship Him as Lord, although, they do accept Him as Savior and also put His name on their buildings as a way to mislead any real Christians.

I really don’t get this, especially when there is so much biblical proof of His divinity. It saddens me to watch people dumb Him down and reject Him like this.

Can anyone fill me on what kind of brain acrobatics they may come back with to try and justify this belief?

This really disturbs me, even more than the whole “total apostasy” fairy-tale.
 
That’s what I mean- looks like mis-direction doesn’t it?
 
That’s what I mean- looks like mis-direction doesn’t it?
I notice that it says they worship “Christ” and not “Jesus Christ”. Perhaps a play on words or an example the brain acrobatics I was talking about? Just a thought.
 
Address God as “Father in Heaven” or “Heavenly Father.”
Thank Him for the things for which you are grateful (“I thank thee for . . .”).
Ask Him for what you need (“I ask thee . . .”).
Jesus is the mediator (1 John 2:1) between you and Heavenly Father, so close your prayer by saying, “In the name of Jesus Christ, amen.”
mormon.org/learn/0,8672,839-1,00.html

This tells me that mormons pray to “Heavenly Father” in the name of Jesus but do not pray to Jesus. Jesus is the intercessor but not the one being prayed to or worshiped. To me this seems like it may be along the lines of asking a Saint to intercede for you.
 
Acts 7:2

**
] And as they were stoning** Stephen**, he prayed, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.” **

Seems like Stephen was praying to Jesus
 
Acts 7:2

Seems like Stephen was praying to Jesus
John.1
[1] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[14] And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

John.8
[19] Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.
[58] Jesus said unto them, Verily,verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
[59] Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.
Exod.3
[13] And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?
[14] And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

John.10
[30]** I and my Father are one.**
[31] Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
[32] Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
[33] The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

John.12
[45] And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me

John.14
[8] Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
[9] Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
[10] Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
[11] Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works’ sake.
[12] Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
[13] And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
[14] If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

John.20
[20] And when he had so said, he shewed unto them his hands and his side. Then were the disciples glad, when they saw the Lord.
[21] Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.
[22] And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
[23] Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.
[24] But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came.
[25] The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.
[26] And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.
[27] Then saith he to Thomas, reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
[28] And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

Tit.2

[11] For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
[12] Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
[13] Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
[14] Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
[15] These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.
 
OK I asked an LDS friend of mine and this is what he said:

We pray to God the Father alone. However, we pray through Christ as our mediator to the Father. It’s not quite the same as the idea of praying to a saint. As for the notion that we put Christ’s name on our buildings but don’t invite him in, that’s just absurd. We do worship Christ as the Son, Redeemer, and God, but we also recognize there is a hierarchy and God the father is the pinnacle.
 
OK I asked an LDS friend of mine and this is what he said:

We pray to God the Father alone. However, we pray through Christ as our mediator to the Father. It’s not quite the same as the idea of praying to a saint. As for the notion that we put Christ’s name on our buildings but don’t invite him in, that’s just absurd. We do worship Christ as the Son, Redeemer, and God, but we also recognize there is a hierarchy and God the father is the pinnacle.
Thanks. Any idea on how they would justify this hierarchy? I would assume that since they believe there is a hierarchy they also believe that they are not “One God” and Jesus is some kind of lesser god. This is all very confusing because they also preach that the “Heavenly Father” was once a man. Any Heavenly Mother? :confused: :confused:
 
When Jesus gave an example of prayer he started with “Our Father who art in Heaven…” The people of the LDS church use this as the example on forming prayer.

Anne
 
OK I asked an LDS friend of mine and this is what he said:

We pray to God the Father alone. However, we pray through Christ as our mediator to the Father. It’s not quite the same as the idea of praying to a saint. As for the notion that we put Christ’s name on our buildings but don’t invite him in, that’s just absurd. We do worship Christ as the Son, Redeemer, and God, but we also recognize there is a hierarchy and God the father is the pinnacle.
The way I understand this, after talking to some mormons, is that they do NOT believe Jesus is God, they believe Jesus is A god. So no trinitarian God at all. Doesn’t sound like worshipping Jesus to me. :nope:
 
The way I understand this, after talking to some mormons, is that they do NOT believe Jesus is God, they believe Jesus is A god. So no trinitarian God at all. Doesn’t sound like worshipping Jesus to me. :nope:
The President of the LDS church says that “We believe that Jesus is the only begotten Son of God”…Now, I cannot remember exactly when he said this, but it was what I saw on the BYU tv channel…

Anne
 
To the Mormons, Jesus is a god, but he is not their god. The only god they worship is the Heavenly Father. Jesus is this god’s son in the spirit, just as all Mormons believe they are. So Jesus is their brother, not their god.

The Mormon Jesus was not always a god, but became a god, just like the Heavenly Father did. But though the Mormons teach that there are gods without number, the only god they are permitted to worship or pray to is the Heavenly Father.

God bless,
Paul (a former Mormon, now Catholic)
 
To the Mormons, Jesus is a god, but he is not their god. The only god they worship is the Heavenly Father. Jesus is this god’s son in the spirit, just as all Mormons believe they are. So Jesus is their brother, not their god.

The Mormon Jesus was not always a god, but became a god, just like the Heavenly Father did. But though the Mormons teach that there are gods without number, the only god they are permitted to worship or pray to is the Heavenly Father.

God bless,
Paul (a former Mormon, now Catholic)
I knew this was a teaching in the LDS church. However, as a former Mormon, perhaps you can shed some light on how Mormons can reconcile Hebrews 13:8 "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and for ever. " How can someone who has always been the same be in the process of “becoming” a god? I’m interested to know if this verse is talked about in the LDS church.
 
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Prayer_Warrior:
I knew this was a teaching in the LDS church. However, as a former Mormon, perhaps you can shed some light on how Mormons can reconcile Hebrews 13:8 "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and for ever. "
They can’t. That’s one of the myriad things that led me out of the Mormon church.

What they do is engage in double-think, a phrase coined by George Orwell in his book “1984”. It is the process of holding two conflicting ideas as true at the same time. Mormons are well trained in double-think and do it without realizing they are doing it. But double-think causes tremendous cognitive dissonance - the anxiety caused by the sub-conscious mind’s protest against illogical nonsense. Many Mormons suffer cruelly from cognitive dissonance and never realize why they are suffering.

God bless,
Paul
 
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