They're replacing "thee, thy, thou" with you and your

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It’s so refreshing to read through these threads and see a good-natured discussion, leavened with a little humor. I have seen discussions of this type descend into rancor and the always annoying sound of axe-grinding :>) And to think that the first CA group I “signed up” for was the one dealing with scrupulosity!!! (It is interesting to see the thee/thou thing spreading into some European countries… please allow me to say that I find that a bit unsettling;)

How we should thank God for one another and His Grace at work in each of our souls!

PhillipJ

“God regards our purity of heart and tears of compunction, not our many words”
- Rule of St. Benedict
 
Spirithound said:
The “contemporary” use of “thou” is the religious use. In secular occasions, it’s only still used in northern England and Scotland.

I would further like to see your lexical analysis of the Scriptural use of “thou” vs. “you”.

Also, you haven’t really contradicted my post.
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Didn’t intend to contradict, merely to present my understanding of the use of Thee and Thou.
As another poster put it, it comes down to what we are most comfortable with. I grew up with the Thee and Thou as well as Holy Ghost and that’s is what I continue to use. I do know of some, not many, in my age group who have latched on the the You and Your phrasing and most Catholics have adopted Holy Spirit in lieu of Holy Ghost.

Eeether/ Eyether - Raather/ Rahther.
 
Mrs_Sally said:
How was this change announced? The Hail Mary is not a liturgical prayer, so I don’t understand what you mean when you say “some people in my parish”. How is the DRE or RCIA director teaching the prayer? Are you just overhearing folks saying the roasry this way before Mass? What is the context? Actually, I don’t know if either version is church approved (or any translation except the original latin), so you can’t say someone is saying it wrong with “you and your” anyway.
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One of the priests uses that change when he recites the “Hail Mary” .
Also, the cantor uses it.🤷 There wasn’t any announcement. I didn’t say it was wrong, but I find it unsettling and I just might say something if they ever try it in the “Our Father”.:banghead:
 
RosalieM said:
One of the priests uses that change when he recites the “Hail Mary” .
Also, the cantor uses it.🤷 There wasn’t any announcement. I didn’t say it was wrong, but I find it unsettling and I just might say something if they ever try it in the “Our Father”.:banghead:
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Sounds like the personal preferences of those folks, or potentially just how the words are written in whatever setting the cantor is using. Ask the priest what his reasoning is. Perhaps he’s always said it that way and you are simply noticing it more because of all the other changes. 🤷
 
RosalieM said:
I don’t know who started it; but this is what I’ve heard the last few times in my parish. Is the “Our Father” next? :eek:
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I’m 42. When I was in 7th grade Sister taught us to replace “thou” and “thy” with “you” and “your”. I’ve been saying it this way for 30 years.

The meaning is the same.
 
Mrs_Sally said:
Sounds like the personal preferences of those folks, or potentially just how the words are written in whatever setting the cantor is using. Ask the priest what his reasoning is. Perhaps he’s always said it that way and you are simply noticing it more because of all the other changes. 🤷
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English is one of those languages which really doesn’t have an ideal period on which to use as a basis for literature, normal usage, or liturgy. (Unlike Latin, whose vocabulary and grammar (word endings) have been codified for over 2000 years.) So in the end it becomes, as you say, a preference for Old English, Middle English, Shakespearean English, Elizabethan English, 1950 British English, or 2011 American English, especially if you’re going to use in it private prayer.
 
RosalieM said:
Why? I know it shouldn’t bother me, but it does. I’ve said “Blessed art thou” and “Blessed is the fruit of thy womb” since forever. I cringe when I hear them subsitute “blessed are you” and “blessed is the fruit of your womb”. They even changed it in the hymn “o come Emmanuel”…to “rejoice, rejoice, Emmanuel shall come to YOU, O Israel…” Why?:confused:
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The Hail Mary changed a long time ago (in the 1970s). I attended Catholic elementary school. The older sisters and lay teachers would say it with the thees and thous. The younger sisters would say it with the yous and yours. It became very confusing when you had an older sister for religion and she’d say it with the thees and thous and the young sister you had for Math said it with yous and yours. To this day, I mix them up.

I’ll say “Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee, blessed are you among women…” Either way is acceptable but there should be a consistency.
 
We’re debating pronouns? :eek:

Call me when they actually start changing the nouns, verbs, adjectives, adverbs and syntax. :cool:
 
Bob_Aliano said:
The last time attended Mass in PA the congregation did say dis and these!
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There is as many cultural variations in slang voiced grammar from East to West and Southern United States as there is the same in Canada. Some broader accents do stand out more noticeable. Its the same in hearing broader English accents in different places in the U.K.

Even my first language French is mixed with variable notable accents depending where you live even in the French province of Quebec.
 
ProVobis said:
Is Panglish already here?

dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-546469/How-English-know-disappearing—replaced-Panglish.html
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You can tell it’s coming. Living languages indeed change: pronunciations, meanings, syntax, idioms. It’s particularly pronounced when you deal with the lingua franca. It’s just the normal development of language.

Of course, one of the great reasons for preservation of Latin is that it is dead, meanings are fixed and you don’t run into the problems that a living language imparts. The other side of that is, of course, that a dead language is just that - dead, no one speaks it as a mother tongue so only scholars tend to know it well and therefore translations are needed. You get an accessibility problem.

Eh! You pays you fee and you takes you chances! 😃
 
ProVobis said:
Is Spanglish already here?

dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-546469/How-English-know-disappearing—replaced-Panglish.html
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Wow! thanks for the fascinating link. 👍

Reminds me of listening to Scottish Gaelic some variations which have survived in Eastern Canada in the Maritimes, most of which is reminiscent in the Province of Nova Scotia, Cape Breton Island and even Newfoundland.

Don’t ask me to pronounce any words unless I’ve had a good nip of Johnny Walker.

Peace
Chris
 
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