Things Catholics base on Tradition and not scripture.

[E.E.N.S]

I am willing to bet that googie failed to read a single one of those answers/links that Church Militant posted on the very first page of this thread. Each and every one of his posts since then are proof of this.

Don’t misunderstand me, my intention here is not to be uncharitable, but it’s hard to have any form of edifying dialogue when you refuse to honestly look at what is being presented to you.

 

[Scoobyshme]

What Sacred Tradition does the Catholic Church have that has NO LINK to Scripture whatsoever??

Well, when we recall what Sacred Tradition is, the answer becomes easier.

The Word of God is not a book. It is a Person, Jesus Christ. He is the Word of God.

The Word of God was transmitted to mankind in two main ways: Orally (first and foremost), and later, in written form (Scripture).

Only SOME of what was transmitted orally (Sacred Tradition, a.k.a., Holy Tradition or Oral Tradition - see 2 Thes 2:15), was put into writing in the New Testament. From a practical standpoint, if we compiled a document with every quote of Jesus in the New Testament, we would end up with a document only 15 or so pages long, which could be read aloud in about 90 minutes or so. Would we believe that in Jesus’ entire three year earthly ministry that He spoke a grand total of an hour and a half? Hardly!

Jesus never wrote a book. He taught orally. He taught the Apostles orally, and commanded them to go forth and teach everything that He had taught them (See Matt. 28:20). This includes the parts that were not written down yet in Scripture. And consider that the Bible, as we know it, wasn’t set until the fourth century. The Magisterium of the Church (the Pope & bishops) gathered at the Councils of Hippo (393 A.D.) and Carthage (397 A.D.), prayed to the Holy Spirit for guidance, and went through over 300 documents and letters thought to be “divinely inspired.” Of these, they chose 27, which we call the New Testament. Part of this decision-making process was comparing what was written against what had been orally taught and passed on during the previous four centuries. If anything disagreed with that, it got tossed out.

Some examples of Sacred Tradition would be interpretation of Scripture, worship on Sunday (vs. Saturday, the Jewish Sabbath), etc.

To properly interpret the Bible, as Catholics, the Church defines a trinitarian-type approach. Just as Jesus is the Second Person of the Trinity, and wherever we find Him, we necessarily find the other Two Persons of the Divine Trinity (mystery of Unity), we must also approach Divine Scripture that way. Here are the three main parts of properly reading and interpreting Scripture:

1. We must always read the Scriptures in light of Sacred Tradition.
2. We must always read the Scriptures as a whole, not in snippets, or out of context of the whole.\
3. We must always read the Scriptures through the analogy of the faith, i.e., what the Magisterium has always taught.

I think it would be good to read the Church’s document, Dogmatic Constitution on Divine Revelation - Dei Verbum. It’s not that long and can possibly be read in one sitting. It outlines all this for you.

You might enjoy listening to Fr. John Corapi’s audio series on how to read the Bible:

alabamacatholicresources.com/Fr_John_Corapi.html

(Download Word of God parts 1-6.)

God bless!

 

[inkaneer]

I believe that God has the power to do anything. However I did not see it written in scripture where He said , “I am now changing this bread and wine into My literal body and blood”, and even though it is not indicated in the Bible, the RCC claims that the priest can do this himself, where does all this power come from, amazing. Blessings

Like I said before, At the Last Supper Jesus holding up the bread said, “This IS My Body…” The word translated as IS is the Greek word esti That word means ‘is truly’ or ‘is really’ or ‘is literally’. I understand that there are no less than a dozen other words that The Holy Spirit could have inspired the gospel writers to use instead of esti if the Holy Spirit wanted them to say ‘is a symbol of’ or ‘is like’ my body or words to that effect. But He didn’t. He inspired them to write a word that has a very literal meaning. In John 6 Jesus prophesied the Eucharist saying that His flesh was the bread come down from heaven and was real food and at the Last Supper He fulfilled that prophesy by changing the bread into His Body. The early church took those words literally. There is not one single instance of any early church writer claiming the bread and wine once consecrated were only a symbol and not the actual body and blood of Jesus. That perversion would have to wait until the protestant revolt 1500 years later.

 

[JRKH]

I am willing to bet that googie failed to read a single one of those answers/links that Church Militant posted on the very first page of this thread. Each and every one of his posts since then are proof of this.

Don’t misunderstand me, my intention here is not to be uncharitable, but it’s hard to have any form of edifying dialogue when you refuse to honestly look at what is being presented to you.

While I do not know if he read the links or not, I can say that any discussion on various beliefs comes donw to a single issue that MUST be addressed before any real progress can be made. That issue is authority.
Googie rejects the authority of the universal ekklesia in doctrinal matters, even though the bible clearly points to such authority.
Without getting into the whole issue of whether the RCC is that authority, the protestant vision of doctrinally independent local communities falls apart on the basis of biblical evidence alone.

Argue as we might over Confession, Mary, the Eucharist, or any other difference, the core is and always will be an issue of authority.

Peace
James

 

[JRKH]

The excepted canon of Scripture would be the biggest one.
Nowhere in Scripture is there a list of the Scriptural books.

Dunno if this would fit, but I believe the names of Mary’s parents come from an extrabiblical source and are not mentioned in The Bible.

Peace
James

 

[steve_b]

That Kingdom already exists and has existed since before the foundation of the world.

Yet it was closed to humans until Jesus made it possible for our entrance.
g:

• Praying to the saints,
• the assumption of Mary,
• Purgatory,
• confessing sins to a priest,
• Christ in the tabernacle in the church,
• the pope,
• sacrifice of the mass,
• succession of the apostles,
• hierarchy in the RCC,
• the RCC necessary for salvation.

There are so many things based on tradition, they are too many to count which I don’t have time to write.

taking your points in order

• Praying to the saints, (where is the prohibition in scripture)
• the assumption of Mary, (where is the prohibition in scripture)
• Purgatory, 1 Cor. 3:10-15
• confessing sins to a priest,John 20:21-23 Jesus gave the power to forgive sins. That power is passed on apostolically.
• Christ in the tabernacle in the church,Mt 26:26-27; Mk 14:22,24; Lk 22:19-20; 1 Cor 11:24-25 … this is my body … this is my blood. The tabernacle is where the body and blood is contained.
• the pope, Mt 10:1-4; Mk 3:16-19; Lk 6:14-16; Acts 1:13; Lk 9:32 … Peter always mentioned first, as foremost apostle. His office continues just as others when they die are replaced Acts 1:15-26
• sacrifice of the mass, Heb 10: 23-29 The languaga in this scripture “blood of the covenant” and “sacrifice for sin” is the language Jesus used instituting the Eucharist. Mt 26:28. The Eucharist is what we celebrate each time we meet at mass.
• succession of the apostles, Mt 23:2 … Pharisees succeeded Moses (seat of Moses). Acts 1:15-26; 2 Tim 2:2; Tit 1:5 …unbroken succession.
• hierarchy in the RCC, Jesus made Peter the leader. then you have the other apostles and those who would be bishop, priest, deacon etc under them.
• the RCC necessary for salvation. Mt 18:17-18 … church as final authority. Division from the Church is as deadly as other deadly sins Gal 5:19-21 one won’t inherit heaven if they remain in division from the Church. Not my words they are Pauls.

g:

The next statement, " and you know that because you heard it through…word of mouth" is not the way I received it. I received it from the written word of God. Blessings.

What you call the bible, “word of God” came from the Catholic Church.

 

[steve_b]

I really don’t think that you know what or who the church is. I belong to the “catholic” church, that is the “universal” church, those who belong to the Body of Christ, those who are born again. There are no denominations in Gods church. In fact there are only two kinds of people in this world, those who are saved, and those who are not. I know that you are referring to the RCC when you say “catholic” church. Blessings.

Catholic has been a proper name to refer to a specific Church, since the first century. Someone has you very confused.

Don’t try and hijack things by inserting Roman as if Roman and Catholic takes away from Catholic. The name of the Church is the Catholic Church and various rites, Latin/Roman being one, albeit 98%+ of the total, and this Church is headquartered in Rome, with Benedict XVI as pope, 266th successor to St Peter in Rome…

 

[fred_conty]

What Sacred Tradition does the Catholic Church have that has NO LINK to Scripture whatsoever??

The doctrine of Mary as Mediatrix of all graces. That is, all graces go thru her to us. The Bible certainly has references to her, but not specifically that way that I can see. Now this is not an absolute Catholic doctrine of faith, but is is one that is widely accepted by the Catholic bishops.

 

[steve_b]

At the Last Supper, no one there drank any blood or ate any flesh, but they did eat bread and drink wine, which** represented** His body and blood. He used this as a symbol for He could not have made it “really present” as you say, for He had not gone to the cross yet. He did say that “this is my body” and “this is my blood”. However I would refer you to John 6:48-63, in particular to verse 63, it says: “for they are spirit”.

63* It is the spirit that gives life, the flesh is of no avail; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life.

Jesus said spirit and life. He is certainly not saying HIS flesh is of no avail.

The soul is the life of the body. And Jesus is taking care of BOTH body and soul with the Eucharist.
g:

Jesus didn’t say that “this is actually My body”. God is Spirit, and this is the way you receive Him, spiritually. We are born again spiritually. Do you think the apostles would have stayed with Him if He had taken His body and some of His blood and said to them here, eat and drink this. Blessings.

1 Cor 11:
23 * For I received from the Lord what I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus on the night when he was betrayed took bread, 24 and when he had given thanks, he broke it, and said, “This is my body which is for * you. Do this in remembrance of me.” 25* In the same way also the cup, after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me.” 26* For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes. 27 Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of profaning the body and blood of the Lord.* 28 Let a man examine himself, and so eat of the bread and drink of the cup. 29 For any one who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks judgment upon himself. 30 That is why many of you are weak and ill, and some have died. *

One can’t eat and drink condemnation on themselves with a symbol or a metaphore.

 

[Michael_Francis]

Merged threads on identical topic.

 

[steve_b]

What Sacred Tradition does the Catholic Church have that has NO LINK to Scripture whatsoever??

Regarding “Sacred (T)radition”, it is both oral and written

Regarding NO LINK to scripture, aka the Bible

• No canon (list of sacred books) is written anywhere in the scriptures telling us which books are scripture. The Catholic Church established the list of books that makes up the bible.
• No individual book itentifies itself as scripture. The Catholic Church identified which books are scripture and which ones are NOT…

 

[inkaneer]

I don’t think you get it. The body of Christ is the true church of God. Those are the called out ones. My beliefs do not differ from the “catholic” church, I am part of that church. The pope is your boss, so you are Roman Cathoilc, maybe you want to distant yourself from that handle, and rightfully so. Blessings.

Oh, I get it alright. I get that Jesus established one church based on Peter and the Apostles and your denomination is not it. And I get that your beliefs are different than that one church that scripture calls the ecclesia kata holis and which Ignatius used in naming the Catholic Church:

“Let no one do anything of concern to the Church without the bishop. Let that be considered a valid Eucharist which is celebrated by the bishop or by one whom he ordains *. Wherever the bishop appears, let the people be there; just as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church” (Letter to the Smyrneans 8:2 [A.D. 110]).

And what you don’t get is that the pope is not just my boss but he is your boss too. And don’t think he isn’t. When the Pope defines doctrine he defines it universally and that means for everyone not just Catholics. So when the Church says a person who divorces their spouse and marries another person commits the mortal sin of adultery it doesn’t matter if that person is a Catholic or not. That person is guilty of a mortal sin and if not confessed and the adulterous situation is not resolved then that person is damned to hell.
So don’t be so smug to tjhink that you’re okay because you are not okay. You and your denomination have no way to deal with sin and that will condemn you to hellfire. This idea, prevalent in non Catholic denominations, that Jesus did it all nailing sin to the cross is erroneous. Jesus’ sacrifice on the cross made it possible that man’s sins could be forgiven not that they would be forgiven. If Jesus did it all as you and other non Catholics claim then there would be no reason for Jesus to give the authority to forgive sins to the Apostles:

"19 On the evening of that day, the first day of the week, the doors being shut where the disciples were, for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood among them and said to them, “Peace be with you.” 20 When he had said this, he showed them his hands and his side. Then the disciples were glad when they saw the Lord. 21 Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I send you.” 22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.” [John 20:19-23]

Jesus says, “As the Father has sent me, even so I send you.” Jesus was sent into the world by the Father to deal with sin. As Paul puts it:

“For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so by one man’s obedience many will be made righteous.” [Romans 5:19]

And now Jesus, after the Crucifixion and Resurrection, is sending the apostles out empowered with the authority to forgive or retain others’ sins. But of course your denomination does not possess that authority nor do they claim it. So you got a big problem there.*

 

[James224]

That Kingdom already exists and has existed since before the foundation of the world. Hence it cannot be some future millennial earthly kingdom.

I could answer the “such as” question if there were enough hours in the day, however I can mention a few things: Praying to the saints, the assumption of Mary, Purgatory, confessing sins to a priest, Christ in the tabernacle in the church, the pope, sacrifice of the mass, succession of the apostles, hierarchy in the RCC, the RCC necessary for salvation. There are so many things based on tradition, they are too many to count which I don’t have time to write. The next statement, " and you know that because you heard it through…word of mouth" is not the way I received it. I received it from the written word of God. Blessings.

Here’s a start:

Purgatory - 1 Cor 3:11-15, Matt 5:25-26, 1 Pet 3:19
Communion of Saints - Rev 5:8, 1 Cor 12
Assumption of Mary - Rev 11:19-12:1 (Ark is Mary)
Church - 1 Tim 3:15, Eph 3:10, 1 Cor 12:12-31
Succession - Acts 1:20, 1 Tim 3:1, Acts 1:15-26
Confession - John 20:21-23
Eucharist - John 6:53(54), 1 Cor 11:25-29
Pope (Primacy of Peter) - Matt 16:18-19

 

[Pax]

God is the only one who can forgive sin. There are nor priests in the new testament, …
…
…
Most of the building of the RCC regarding ceremony, hierarchy and tradition is based on the fact that they believe they have this same power as the apostles had and this to me is another gospel. Blessings.

googie in Christ,

I’ll take your comments one at time.

First of all I showed you in scripture where it says that the power to forgive sin was “given to men” per Matthew 9:6-8. Until you show a passage to the contrary you will have to concede the point.

You claim there are no priests in the NT which is utterly false. That point was already established by reference to the term “presbyters” in my previous post quoting from James 5:14-15. There is, however, even more evidence that contradicts your opinion. Please be advised that both the OT and the NT refer to those that are members of God’s family as a “priestly people”[see 1 Peter 2:9 for the NT reference]. Likewise, we know that the ministerial priesthood of the Levites existed within Judaism right along side the general priesthood of the people. Likewise, the OT ministerial priesthood had a High Priest. Likewise, the NT has a High Priest in Jesus.

The OT makes it clear that the Levitical priesthood had duties, responsibilities, authority, and power reserved to the ministerial priesthood. Likewise, the NT church has a ministerial priesthood with powers reserved to it that are not shared by the non-ministerial priesthood of Christian believers.

The OT predicts the coming of Jesus. Isaiah and Jeremiah frequently refer to Jesus as the “Branch” of David and they are prophetic in describing Him. Jeremiah makes reference to an unending ministerial priesthood patterned after the Levitical priesthood as it relates to Jesus.

Jeremiah 33:14-18 says:

"Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will fulfil the promise I made to the house of Israel and the house of Judah. In those days and at that time I will cause a righteous Branch to spring forth for David; and he shall execute justice and righteousness in the land. In those days Judah will be saved and Jerusalem will dwell securely. And this is the name by which it will be called: ‘The Lord is our righteousness.’ “For thus says the Lord: David shall never lack a man to sit on the throne of the house of Israel, and the Levitical priests shall never lack a man in my presence to offer burnt offerings, to burn cereal offerings, and to make sacrifices for ever.”

We also see an important prophecy concerning the mass and Eucharist in Malachi 1:11-12 which says:

“For from the rising of the sun to its setting my name is great among the nations, and in every place incense is offered to my name, and a pure offering; for my name is great among the nations, says the Lord of hosts. But you profane it when you say that the Lord’s table is polluted, and the food for it may be despised.”

It is important to note that there is only one pure offering that has ever been given to God. That offering was Jesus Christ upon the cross. Nevertheless, this prophecy says that in every place from the rising to the setting of the sun this perfect offering will be made. It then refers to the Lord’s table and the food that is upon it. Only the Catholic mass and the Eucharist fit this prophecy. Likewise, such offerings and sacrifices are by definition offered by priests. Moreover, these priests are always of the ministerial priesthood.

There is another pattern in the NT tied to the OT Levitical priesthood. Korah’s rebellion involved the usurpation of the ministerial priesthood.

In Jude 1:10-11 it says:

But these men revile whatever they do not understand, and by those things that they know by instinct as irrational animals do, they are destroyed. Woe to them! For they walk in the way of Cain, and abandon themselves for the sake of gain to Balaam’s error, and perish in Korah’s rebellion.

Korah’s rebellion was about the usurpation of the ministerial priesthood[see 16:1-33].

For someone to perish in Korah’s rebellion in the NT church means that they would have to be attempting to usurp or otherwise abuse the ministerial priesthood. The ministerial priesthood is also attested to through the laying on of hands which we see in the Book Acts and in Paul’s letters. In fact, the letters of Paul demonstrate three generations of priests through the laying on of hands. We see this in Paul’s reference to the laying on of hands/ordination of Timothy. Paul warns Timothy to be careful in “laying on of hands”. So the apostles are the first generation. Timothy is an example of the second generation, and those that Timothy ordains are a third generation and so it goes.

You do not see miracles. Well I have seen some miracles and the Church has an unmatched treasury of miracles. Simply do some research. Moreover, and most importantly, Catholics witness and participate in the greatest of miracles at the Catholic mass where heaven and earth are joined in the real presence of Jesus Christ in the Eucharist.

Likewise, the Catholic Church itself is an incredible miracle in having survived from Pentecost until now despite the many attacks from within and without over her more than two thousand years of history. No other Christian group can show that heritage and bona fides and no other Church claims to be the one true Church established by Christ beginning at Pentecost.

You seem to believe that hierarchy within the Catholic Church is another gospel. Well, try reading scripture and what it says about the bishop. Likewise, look at the actions of the first council of Jerusalem as outline in the book of Acts. There was a hierarchy then, and there is a hierarchy now.

God bless.

 

[googie]

These statements seem to indicate a belief that Jesus, the Son of God, God made incarnate never intended to establish any kind of lasting authority on earth after his great sacrifice. That after all that he said and did it was going to just be a big free for all and anyone could just do and believe what they want and interpret what He said and meant and did any way they wanted? It would seem to me that a creating, almighty, loving God would have a bit of a better plan than that.

God has a wonderful plan for us. While He was here on earth He used people like the apostles to spread the word after He has gave them instructions, and they came to believe in Him. He also used many other people to further the gospel, and they spread the gospel far and wide, teaching from His word , the bible, in fact people are still teaching His word today and people are coming to Christ by faith to trust Him as their Savior. Before Jesus ascended into to heaven, He said that he would send the Holy Spirit to guide and direct us in “all” things, so this is His great plan. Have you received the Holy Spirit, so that you may be directed by Him. (Edited)

 

[JRKH]

God has a wonderful plan for us. While He was here on earth He used people like the apostles to spread the word after He has gave them instructions, and they came to believe in Him. He also used many other people to further the gospel, and they spread the gospel far and wide, teaching from His word , the bible, in fact people are still teaching His word today and people are coming to Christ by faith to trust Him as their Savior. Before Jesus ascended into to heaven, He said that he would send the Holy Spirit to guide and direct us in “all” things, so this is His great plan. Have you received the Holy Spirit, so that you may be directed by Him. **You know something, if you take away the “hierarchy” and all the tradition of the RCC, you will be in a position where you will be lead by the Holy Spirit and God can use you, think about it. **Blessings.

You know - I did presicely this. I tossed out the “hierarchy” and all the tradition of the RCC and opened myself up to the Bible and the Holy Spirit. And you know what Happened??
He led me right back to the Roman Catholic Church.
I’ll admit it took awhile and even after I was essentially convicted, I hesitated, but that is what happened.
Praise be to the Truth and guidance of the Holy Spirit.

Peace
James

 

[googie]

Oh, I get it alright. I get that Jesus established one church based on Peter and the Apostles and your denomination is not it. And I get that your beliefs are different than that one church that scripture calls the ecclesia kata holis and which Ignatius used in naming the Catholic Church:

“Let no one do anything of concern to the Church without the bishop. Let that be considered a valid Eucharist which is celebrated by the bishop or by one whom he ordains *. Wherever the bishop appears, let the people be there; just as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church” (Letter to the Smyrneans 8:2 [A.D. 110]).

And what you don’t get is that the pope is not just my boss but he is your boss too. And don’t think he isn’t. When the Pope defines doctrine he defines it universally and that means for everyone not just Catholics. So when the Church says a person who divorces their spouse and marries another person commits the mortal sin of adultery it doesn’t matter if that person is a Catholic or not. That person is guilty of a mortal sin and if not confessed and the adulterous situation is not resolved then that person is damned to hell.
So don’t be so smug to tjhink that you’re okay because you are not okay. You and your denomination have no way to deal with sin and that will condemn you to hellfire. This idea, prevalent in non Catholic denominations, that Jesus did it all nailing sin to the cross is erroneous. Jesus’ sacrifice on the cross made it possible that man’s sins could be forgiven not that they would be forgiven. If Jesus did it all as you and other non Catholics claim then there would be no reason for Jesus to give the authority to forgive sins to the Apostles:

"19 On the evening of that day, the first day of the week, the doors being shut where the disciples were, for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood among them and said to them, “Peace be with you.” 20 When he had said this, he showed them his hands and his side. Then the disciples were glad when they saw the Lord. 21 Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I send you.” 22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.” [John 20:19-23]

Jesus says, “As the Father has sent me, even so I send you.” Jesus was sent into the world by the Father to deal with sin. As Paul puts it:

“For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so by one man’s obedience many will be made righteous.” [Romans 5:19]

And now Jesus, after the Crucifixion and Resurrection, is sending the apostles out empowered with the authority to forgive or retain others’ sins. But of course your denomination does not possess that authority nor do they claim it. So you got a big problem there.*I only have one answer for all that you wrote. The pope is not my boss, the minister of my church is not my boss, the priest is not my boss, I only have to answer to God. At the last day I will stand in front of Him and no one else, and I will not be able to plead that: “this is what man told me”, He will say to you, “I left you my word”, and the Holy spirit to guide you" and what did you do with them. We answer directly to God through Jesus Christ, He is our intercessor, for He is seated at the right hand of the Father for this reason. Blessings

 

[davidv]

I only have one answer for all that you wrote. The pope is not my boss, the minister of my church is not my boss, the priest is not my boss, I only have to answer to God. At the last day I will stand in front of Him and no one else, and I will not be able to plead that: “this is what man told me”, He will say to you, “I left you my word”, and the Holy spirit to guide you" and what did you do with them. We answer directly to God through Jesus Christ, He is our intercessor, for He is seated at the right hand of the Father for this reason. Blessings

You are quite wrong about having only God as a boss. For Jesus says to those he sent out:

16 “He who hears you hears me, and he who rejects you rejects me, and he who rejects me rejects him who sent me.” (Luke (RSV) 10)

 

[googie]

You know - I did presicely this. I tossed out the “hierarchy” and all the tradition of the RCC and opened myself up to the Bible and the Holy Spirit. And you know what Happened??
He led me right back to the Roman Catholic Church.
I’ll admit it took awhile and even after I was essentially convicted, I hesitated, but that is what happened.
Praise be to the Truth and guidance of the Holy Spirit.

Peace
James

Can you tell me how you opened yourself up to the Holy Spirit. I assume that you are right back to where you started with all the tradition and hierarchy. Do you think that this tradition and hierarchy will get you into heaven. Blessings.

 

[googie]

You are quite wrong about having only God as a boss. For Jesus says to those he sent out:

What has this got to do about “who is boss”. This is rejection of Gods word by those who will not listen. These are God’s words, so if people reject these words, they are rejecting God, not me. God is still the boss. Blessings.