Things i haven't seen at mass before

[Potato1]

One thing I am not sure has been pointed out… The father’s statement on no holy water during lent does not make since. For one we ARE to have Holy water durning lent. Just like we can have baptisms. No need to be uniformed by your common sense here. Plust easter Vigil on Saturday is NOT PART OF LENT. Lent ends on Thursday. I personally hate it when people who do not know thier faith judge my pious ( and liturgically correct) actions in Church. If there is a good thing about having unbelieving pagans in my extended family, is they do not try to correct my faith.

 

[benedictgal]

One thing I am not sure has been pointed out… The father’s statement on no holy water during lent does not make since. For one we ARE to have Holy water durning lent. Just like we can have baptisms. No need to be uniformed by your common sense here. Plust easter Vigil on Saturday is NOT PART OF LENT. Lent ends on Thursday. I personally hate it when people who do not know thier faith judge my pious ( and liturgically correct) actions in Church. If there is a good thing about having unbelieving pagans in my extended family, is they do not try to correct my faith.

Actually, Potato, I did. Look at Post #2.

Here is what I quoted, in part:

Regarding the issue of Holy Water during Lent, this is what the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments said in 2003 (responding to a letter):

Quote:

1. The liturgical legislation in force does not foresee this innovation, which in addition to being praeter legem is contrary to a balanced understanding of the season of Lent, which though truly being a season of penance, is also a season rich in the symbolism of water and baptism, constantly evoked in liturgical texts.

1. The encouragement of the Church that the faithful avail themselves frequently of the [sic] of her sacraments and sacramentals is to be understood to apply also to the season of Lent. The “fast” and “abstinence” which the faithful embrace in this season does not extend to abstaining from the sacraments or sacramentals of the Church. The practice of the Church has been to empty the Holy Water fonts on the days of the Sacred Triduum in preparation of the blessing of the water at the Easter Vigil, and it corresponds to those days on which the Eucharist is not celebrated (i.e., Good Friday and Holy Saturday).

The only time that the Holy Water fonts are empties is during the Paschal Triduum

I hope this clarifies things for you.

 

[MusicMan]

The rubrics, GIRM and RS, are quite clear that if the priest’s part of the Eucharistic Prayer are sung, they are sung by the priest-celebrant with no help from musical accompaniment or other singers. It is completely the priest-celebrant only. That is why is would be wise and prudent for the priest to chant the Prayer using simple chant. Even a monotone chant would be preferable to a sung prayer that relies on accompaniment.

I cannot speak to the compositions of Haugen or Haas, but I don’t know of any classical composer who set the priest-only parts of the Mass. When a classical composer wrote a Mass, he (or she, because I think Hildegard von Bingham did a setting) set the Kyrie, Gloria, Credo, Sanctus, and Benedictus. That is what is included when Bach, Beethoven, or anyone else wrote a Mass.

 

[Halo]

Yes we have the same problem here too. The priest singing Eucharistic prayers and the entire presidential text with the piano playing in the background . I know Fr. thinks this probably improves the attention of the congregation and people who don’t know any better have complimented him on the effort etc. However most of the flock really do not like this attempt at trying to make us feel closer or whatever to God. We realize that the words Jesus spoke and which have been solemnly repeated in Mass after Mass, just simply stand on their own and are much more powerful and meaningful than the distracting music added to singing.
We look forward to this abuse being silenced very soon. Be aware that in some dioceses this abuse has been reported to the Bishops.
So you are not alone.

 

[MusicMan]

Keep in mind, however, that the priest does have the right to chant the text, but it must be chanted by him alone, with no accompaniment.

 

[bpbasilphx]

Have you not heard the chanting of the Gospel during the Papal Masses? The organ is silent.

**Actually, on Palm Sunday from St. Peter’s the deacons chanted the Passion in Italian (rather than Latin) and it was accompanied throughout by the organ–which practice I thought was a little ooky.

They also did not use the traditional chant formulae.**

 

[OutinChgoburbs]

The priest can chant, and the deacon can “pick up” his own Host. Deaoncs are ordinary ministers of Holy Communion.

 

[japhy]

… the deacon can “pick up” his own Host. Deaoncs are ordinary ministers of Holy Communion.

Even though they are ordinary ministers of Holy Communion, deacons may not self-communicate like a priest. They may not take Holy Communion.

 

[Halo]

Yes indeed, chanting can be very moving and we are fortunate to have a Priest with a beautiful voice. It is the musical addition that is the problem. We do have a fine musical director too, don’t get me wrong, but we have to stay within the guidelines of the church.
Just because a particular method can seem more appealing and “feel” moving, we have to be careful not just to ride on emotion.
The Church is her great wisdom has reasons for everything.