Think the TLM and the NO can exist side by side in the same parish?

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I’m not talking about shunning or ostracizing anyone, I’m just simply stating that most TLM’ers I’ve known would go elsewhere if the EF was discontinued in their parish. For example, their have been situations where the EF was offered much earlier in the day on a Holy Day of obligation. Some parishoners were unable to attend due to there work schedule, and so you end up running into them at a parish many miles away, that’s having the EF in the evening. Maybe some do attend the NO in the same parish in the evening, but those I know well, would not. This isn’t about us having contempt for those who attend the NO, it’s about how we feel about the EF.
 
Seamus_L said:
I’m not talking about shunning or ostracizing anyone, I’m just simply stating that most TLM’ers I’ve known would go elsewhere if the EF was discontinued in their parish. … This isn’t about us having contempt for those who attend the NO, it’s about how we feel about the EF.
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I for one appreciate the clarification. If you check back over your last post, maybe you will see why we were thown. I take it then, that while you want the TLM offered free of interference of others in the parish, when it comes to things like festivals, maintenance, parish dinners, etc., you have no problem working with others in a non-liturgical context.

Such things really are important for parish unity. Furthermore, if one want to promulgate the TLM, they are vital.
 
Seamus_L said:
I’m not talking about shunning or ostracizing anyone, I’m just simply stating that most TLM’ers I’ve known would go elsewhere if the EF was discontinued in their parish.
This isn’t about us having contempt for those who attend the NO, it’s about how we feel about the EF.
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It is really important to stress this. So many people take preference of EF over NO as a personal insult for some reason.
 
Contra_Mundum said:
Wow! I’m seriously impressed. I’ve never been to such an NO Mass or know people who have. I started to believe that it’s a myth. Glad to hear that there are parishes out there who celebrate it the way it should be done. Indeed, it’s not 1975 😃 . But unfortunately, where I live, many people seem to be stuck in that era
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I’m impressed too. I’m tired of everyone in the NO Mass having a big to do with the sign of peach in the NO Mass in our parish. I’m tired of the priest and the Eucharistic ministers coming down also and doing the same thing.

It is very distracting, although I do know some parishes don’t do this. This is why we like to attend the Traditional Mass about once a month in another parish. The reverence exhibited there is uplifting.

I know that we are attending Mass for the Eucharist, and perhaps these things shouldn’t bother me, but as a pre Vatican 11 senior, it does.

Congratulations on having a parish that is strict like yours. I live in the West and it seems that everything is more casual here, even the Masses.
 
I’ve been going to a TLM in a parish that also does the NO, and it is funny how differently the priest speaks to his TLM parishioners. During the homily, he deals with very conservative themes, and even referred to the “Protestant heresy” alongside the “Arian heresy.”

The TLM is the fullest iteration of the Mass, and he clearly knows his audience appreciates that.
 
I thing that I don’t believe has been mentioned is the effect the Holy Father’s wishes will have on our future priests.
Right now one of the “hurdles” or “excuses” for not having more EF masses, is that there are few Diocesan priests familiar with the form. Whether this is a good reason or not is not my point, just that this has been a reason advanced.

However, now the Holy Father has “normalized” the EF by making clear that it is perfectly licit and that the Church needs to be accomodating to those wishing the EF. He has even expressly stated his desire that seminaries move quickly to see that seminarians are trained in both the OF and the EF (which only makes sense since both are valid forms).

What this will do over the next decade(s) is produce an ever increasing number of priests who are trained in the EF and, one would imagine, a percentage of those new priests will prefer the EF, and consequently a more reverent OF.

While this will take time, I am very hopeful that both forms will become common enough and familiar enough in The Church at large that the “concerns” of most will simply melt away.

Peace
James
 
wow the only masses I have attended must have been the NO form.I would like to see the TLM form. I am very new to this but it saddens me to see. Aren’t both kinds still honoring god? isn’t it still the sacred blood and body? I guess I am just a little confused…
 
Bekamom said:
wow the only masses I have attended must have been the NO form.I would like to see the TLM form. I am very new to this but it saddens me to see. Aren’t both kinds still honoring god? isn’t it still the sacred blood and body? I guess I am just a little confused…
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I’m sorry you are confused.
Please don’t let the childish bickering you sometimes see here distract you from your journey.

Yes, both forms are honoring God and both contain the body and blood.

Also both forms are perfectly legitimate when done in accordance with the GIRM.

The issues that each side seems to have with the other seem to settle down to this.
Those who prefer the OF see the “Traditionalists” and the EF as an attempt to “roll back” Vatican II.
Those who prefer the EF see the OF as too often abused, not as reverent, etc.

Some years back these two positions did indeed cause some “battle lines” to be drawn. However the Holy Father(s) JP II and Ben XVI have taken steps to defuse these tensions. by both reafirming the true teachings of Vatican II and also giving support to the Latin mass (the EF).
Now all we need to do is to get the hard cores on each side to stop sniping at each other and learn to live together in the peace and holiness of the One Church.

Finally - let me say taht I hope you do get a chance to attend an EF mass. Just be prepared for a rather different experience than you are use to. Go with the idea that you will attend several before you make up you rmind whether you like it or not.

Peace
James
 
thanks for the clarification I really think I would like to experience both i think it would make me more well rounded.
 
JRKH said:
What this will do over the next decade(s) is produce an ever increasing number of priests who are trained in the EF and, one would imagine, a percentage of those new priests will prefer the EF, and consequently a more reverent OF.

While this will take time, I am very hopeful that both forms will become common enough and familiar enough in The Church at large that the “concerns” of most will simply melt away.

Peace
James
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:yup:
Praying for this to happen.
 
Bekamom said:
thanks for the clarification I really think I would like to experience both i think it would make me more well rounded.
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And I believe it will, both from a spiritual standpoint and also from a historical coninuity standpoint.

Peace
James
 
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