Thinking about my Spouse a sin?

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Is thinking about making love to my wife a sin when we are apart?
 
The previous two members submitted just their opinions so far.

They have offered no authoritative proof.
 
To seek this pleasure, or consent to it, outside of matrimony, or contrary to the rules of married life, is sinful because it is contrary to the order established by God. Even to lust with the eyes, or heart, is already a sin, as Our Lord teaches in the sermon on the Mount. Therefore, it stands to reason that making love to one’s spouse is not a sin.

http://forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=63816
 
I think it could be. Ask yourself this: Are my thoughts ordered as a desire to please my wife, or as a selfish fantasy that I enjoy?
 
I’m not so sure that the Church teaches married couples to “make love.” She teaches them to reproduce and procreate. But I don’t think She teaches them to make love for solely pleasure.
 
i think the Church is fine with married people making love as long as it stays open to creating life.
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i think the Church is fine with married people making love as long as it stays open to creating life.
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Don’t think.

Find out what Her teachings are.
 
You seem to have all the answers why dont you just tell me? because you dont know either?
 
Since I stuck my foot into this, I did a little bit more research into the topic and have changed my opinion.

I must agree with vluvsk, and ask in what capacity are your thoughts.

If it’s not about the other person, and it is certainly not about the giving of oneself, then it would be a sin because it’s about seeking pleasure.

According to CCC 2351, “*Lust *is disordered desire for or inordinate enjoyment of sexual pleasure. Sexual pleasure is morally disordered when sought for itself, isolated from its procreative and unitive purposes.”

Our late Holy Father John Paul II pointed out that husbands are capable of lusting after their wives when they make pleasure the focus rather than making the wife the focus of their sexual ardor.

If a spouse is a bit excited by anticipating sexual intimacy with his wife during the coming evening, that is one thing – if this excitement devolves into fantasies and a state of luxuriation in the sexual pleasure of the imagination, the spouse begins to sin.
 
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I’m not so sure that the Church teaches married couples to “make love.” She teaches them to reproduce and procreate. But I don’t think She teaches them to make love for solely pleasure.
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From my understanding, the Church does not say that couples are not to “make love” within a marriage. As a matter of fact, I am pretty sure that they encourage this. The Church wants the couple to be open to life each time, but there may be times of infertility that this does not happen. Sexual intercouse between a man and his wife is the bond that has been created for them to share in their love for one another. So to say that “I don’t think that She teaches them to make love for solely pleasure” is not 100% accurate.

Making love has pleasure involved with it, if it was not married couples would not do it. I believe that there is nothing wrong with a couple making love as long as they are open to the chance that life can come from that.
 
Thanks for your research. I thought it might be a sin is why I asked.
 
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I’m not so sure that the Church teaches married couples to “make love.” She teaches them to reproduce and procreate. But I don’t think She teaches them to make love for solely pleasure.
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To “make love” and “to make love for solely pleasure” are very different.

It is quite permissible, even encouraged, to “make love.” However, the church does not teach a couple “to make love solely for pleasure” because that is a euphemism for a “lustful sexual act,” which is sinful, just like having lustful thoughts about your spouse or anyone else for that matter.
 
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vluvski:
To “make love” and “to make love for solely pleasure” are very different.

It is quite permissible, even encouraged, to “make love.” However, the church does not teach a couple “to make love solely for pleasure” because that is a euphemism for a “lustful sexual act,” which is sinful, just like having lustful thoughts about your spouse or anyone else for that matter.
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Can you give me some Church documents that prove this. I thought that marriage was for the begetting and education of children.
 
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. So to say that “I don’t think that She teaches them to make love for solely pleasure” is not 100% accurate.
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To say “I know” would make it 100% accurate. But I said “I think”. I wasn’t sure.
 
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KingdomHallsEnd:
To say “I know” would make it 100% accurate. But I said “I think”. I wasn’t sure.
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True enough, I stand corrected.
 
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KingdomHallsEnd:
Can you give me some Church documents that prove this. I thought that marriage was for the begetting and education of children.
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You only need to look as far as this thread. Post #11 has a quote from the CC which indicates the marital embrace as a procreative and UNITIVE act.

Seek further answers in Theology of the Body.

I’ve also sought answers for you here:

newadvent.org/library/docs_ec21gs.htm

Gaudium et Spes:

Thus a man and a woman, who by their compact of conjugal love “are no longer two, but one flesh” (Matt. 19:6), render mutual help and service to each other through an intimate union of their persons and of their actions. Through this union they experience the meaning of their oneness and attain to it with growing perfection day by day. As a mutual gift of two persons, this intimate union and the good of the children impose total fidelity on the spouses and argue for an unbreakable oneness between them.[2] Christ the Lord abundantly blessed this many-faceted love, welling up as it does from the fountain of divine love and structured as it is on the model of His union with His Church. For as God of old made Himself present[3] to His people through a covenant of love and fidelity, so now the Saviour of men and the Spouse[4] of the Church comes into the lives of married Christians through the sacrament of matrimony. He abides with them thereafter so that just as He loved the Church and handed Himself over on her behalf,[5] the spouses may love each other with perpetual fidelity through mutual self-bestowal. Authentic married love is caught up into divine love and is governed and enriched by Christ’s redeeming power and the saving activity of the Church, **so that this love may lead the spouses to God with powerful effect and may aid and strengthen them in sublime office of being a father or a mother.**6]

In other words, enjoying the unitive aspects of the marital embrace
  • encourages the spouses to assist one another to holiness
  • reflects the strength and power and selfless giving of the love between Christ and his Church
  • aids in strengthening the bond of “family” between the couple as parents or possible parents.
 
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