Third Orders...?

  • Thread starter Thread starter Marina14
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
M

Marina14

Guest
Where can I find a list all of the different Third Orders? I’ve read in the Code of Canon Law that Laity are allowed/encouraged to join a Third Order, but can only be a member of one. Where does one find the list of the various Orders and find out information about each one to determine which they’d want to join if accepted?
 
Most of the major orders (i.e. Benedictines, Dominicans, Carmelites…) have third orders and usually there is a link on their order’s web sites.

The one I am most familiar with is the Oblates of St. Benedict. The easiest way to check for them is to go to www.osb.org and do a region search for a monastery near where you live. Most will have a link to the Oblates associated with that particular monastery.
 
Where can I find a list all of the different Third Orders? I’ve read in the Code of Canon Law that Laity are allowed/encouraged to join a Third Order, but can only be a member of one. Where does one find the list of the various Orders and find out information about each one to determine which they’d want to join if accepted?
Many Religious orders are listed here, some of which have Third Orders…
catholic-hierarchy.org/country/xrel.html

Here are some third Order sites…
sgroi.com/catholic/order.html
 
The Franciscan Third Order for lay people (both married and single) is now called the Secular Franciscan Order. The link to it’s main page is:
nafra-sfo.org/

There is a listing on that page of the local fraternities.

If you hear about Third Order Franciscan groups, they are usually for priests/nun/brothers that live in some type of communities, but different from the 1st and 2nd Order Franciscans.
 
Where can I find a list all of the different Third Orders? I’ve read in the Code of Canon Law that Laity are allowed/encouraged to join a Third Order, but can only be a member of one. Where does one find the list of the various Orders and find out information about each one to determine which they’d want to join if accepted?
hop on over to the spirituality forum where we hang out
I am a Benedictine Oblate
we also have Carmelites, Franciscans, Dominicans, Opus Dei (not technically a third order), and several othres.

just search on seculars
secular
third order
oblate
or the indivitual religious order
secular associate
associate
 
hop on over to the spirituality forum where we hang out
I am a Benedictine Oblate
we also have Carmelites, Franciscans, Dominicans, Opus Dei (not technically a third order), and several othres.

just search on seculars
secular
third order
oblate
or the indivitual religious order
secular associate
associate
So Opus Dei is not an actual 3rd Order? So is it officially approved by the Church? One could then be a member of it along with another 3rd Order?

Question: Could someone join a Secular Order (3rd Order) while single and then still be allowed to marry? Does that differ from Secular Order to Secular Order?
 
So Opus Dei is not an actual 3rd Order? So is it officially approved by the Church? One could then be a member of it along with another 3rd Order?
Opus Dei is not a 3rd Order. The differences between Orders, Movements, and ecclesiastical communities is a long discussion. Yes it is approved by the church. Unlikely you would be a member of Opus Dei and a 3rd Order. You have to remember that joining a religious order is not like joining a club. It is a way of life.
Question: Could someone join a Secular Order (3rd Order) while single and then still be allowed to marry? Does that differ from Secular Order to Secular Order?
Yes you can join a secular order while single and get married. That is pretty much the same way most Secular Orders work, but there are 3rd Orders that aren’t secular and in those orders you may or may not be able to get married. As I said in an earlier message in the Franciscan family there is the Secular Franciscan Order for married and single people and there is also 3rd Orders. 3rd Orders within the Franciscans tend to be sisters/priests/brothers etc. that are bound together in a community. Many Franciscan organizations that you think are 1st Order Franciscans because they are friars are actually a 3rd Order community. Again another discussion that would take forever to explain.

The best first steps are:
a) determine if you are called.
b) determine which charism applies to you (Franciscan, Dominican, Carmelite, etc.) the national pages supplied earlier for the different Orders is a good start.
c) contact a local person and attend a few meetings.

P.S. I just found a good explaination of Third Orders.

rc.net/lansing/ctk/carmelites/ocds4.html

and here:
newadvent.org/cathen/14637b.htm
 
Can someone please explain to me the reasons for joining a Third Order or a Secular Order. What is the point? When you are a member of a Third Order, what does it entail? Are there any tasks that you have to perform on a daily basis and do you have to give money to the order?

Could someone please share their experiences of being a member and tell us how daily life has changed as a result.

Lastly, what are the benefits of joining? I mean, if you’re going to join a Third Order, why not become a Nun or a Priest?
 
Can someone please explain to me the reasons for joining a Third Order or a Secular Order. What is the point? When you are a member of a Third Order, what does it entail? Are there any tasks that you have to perform on a daily basis and do you have to give money to the order?

Could someone please share their experiences of being a member and tell us how daily life has changed as a result.

Lastly, what are the benefits of joining? I mean, if you’re going to join a Third Order, why not become a Nun or a Priest?
You are looking at things like joining a religious order is like joining a club. It is not, it is a calling. The benefits are a spiritual life that fits your calling. Most of the Orders are founded based on the ideals and spiritual life of their founder (i.e. St. Francis, St. Benedict, St. Theresa, etc.) Something about the way of life about the founder attracted people to follow them. Something about that life still attracts people. People that totally turn over their lives to the calling usually become either 1st Order or 2nd Order religious, make vows, and live in a convent or monastery. Not everyone can do that, whether they be married, secular priests (i.e. diocesean) or have a different calling like supporting hospitals, schools, etc. Thus the need for the Third/Secular Orders. They were created for people that wanted to follow the life but due to circumstances couldn’t give up everything to follow the lifestyle.

What is the point? The point is to join an organization of like minded individuals that have a common path of spirituality. An example is the difference between Carmelites and Franciscans. Although both entail service and contemplative life, the Carmelites stress contemptative life and the Franciscans stress living the Gospel life through actions more then the contemplative life. Thus a different path toward the ultimate goal of a saintly life. You don’t have to be a member of an order to follow this life but it helps firm up things and give you a support system.

It depends on what Order you join what you have to do on a daily basis. Many orders require saying the Liturgy of the Hours at least once a day. Frequent reception of the Eucharist and frequent use of the sacrement of reconciliation. Some orders require other things (i.e. some may “require” the rosary, scapula, etc.)

The Secular Orders in general are meant for lay people that can’t give up everything to be religious brothers/sisters/priests. Some Third Order groups actually are meant for priests and nuns (i.e. all the priests in that Third Order support a hospital or TV network). Some groups that you actually think of as monks/friars are actually Third Order groups because they split off from the 1st Order and instead of starting their own 1st Order they became a Third Order of the same charism. As I said before this gets into some real complicated technicalities that I don’t totally understand. An example is, I personally am not real sure whether the Franciscans of the Renewal (the group you see on EWTN a lot) is technically a 1st Order Franciscan Order or a Third Order Franciscan. It all depends on how their rule was written and how it was presented to Rome. Looking at their history and the fact the lay people associated with their group are called associates, they look like they are technically a third order because they split off from the 1st order Capuchins. If they are 3rd order vs. 1st order it doesn’t make them any “less spiritual” then the other, it is just a difference in their rule. All the official orders of a charism support each other towards their ultimate goal, a more spiritual life worshipping God.
 
Where can I find a list all of the different Third Orders? I’ve read in the Code of Canon Law that Laity are allowed/encouraged to join a Third Order, but can only be a member of one. Where does one find the list of the various Orders and find out information about each one to determine which they’d want to join if accepted?
Since you’ve asked for a list and have gotten several websites, I’ll add a couple for the Third Order of Dominicans for you.
www.opthird.org
and
opthird.com/oplaity.htm
 
I investigated the lay association with the Sisters of Notre Dame, but felt no calling to the charisms of that order. Does anyone have any suggestions on which Third Order or lay association may appeal to me more?
 
I investigated the lay association with the Sisters of Notre Dame, but felt no calling to the charisms of that order. Does anyone have any suggestions on which Third Order or lay association may appeal to me more?
This sounds a little backwards to me. I would rather find myself attracted to the spirituality of a particular group – in my case the Benedictines – and then pursue becoming a part of their extended family.
 
This sounds a little backwards to me. I would rather find myself attracted to the spirituality of a particular group – in my case the Benedictines – and then pursue becoming a part of their extended family.
The reason I investigated the SND association is because a sister who used to be at my parish invited me. I did not join the association since the spirituality did not appeal to me. The sister was transferred by her order to a parish out-of-state. Although the SND did not appeal to me, I am still interested in lay associations or Third Orders. I just do not know how to find the right order for myself.
 
Can someone please explain to me the reasons for joining a Third Order or a Secular Order. What is the point? When you are a member of a Third Order, what does it entail? Are there any tasks that you have to perform on a daily basis and do you have to give money to the order?

Could someone please share their experiences of being a member and tell us how daily life has changed as a result.

Lastly, what are the benefits of joining? I mean, if you’re going to join a Third Order, why not become a Nun or a Priest?
…as a member of a third order I receive all the spiritual benefits of the Order, partake in the life of the members as in daily prayers and offerings WITHOUT being bound by vows etc. I attend third order meetings for I wish to grow spiritually. I do not wish to be a nun as I live in the world so to speech and my temprement is that of a melancholic which also would preclude me from the stresses of living as a nun etc. There is no requirement for financial donations although I personally send a yearly cheque to cover mail out costs etc…

It is the best thing I have ever done, and my little medallion is my most precious possession…
 
The reason I investigated the SND association is because a sister who used to be at my parish invited me. I did not join the association since the spirituality did not appeal to me. The sister was transferred by her order to a parish out-of-state. Although the SND did not appeal to me, I am still interested in lay associations or Third Orders. I just do not know how to find the right order for myself.
Is there a type of spirituality that appeals to you? When you think about some of the different orders – Benedictines, Franciscans, Carmelites, Dominicans, etc., etc. – are there some that some that feel right or others that definitely feel wrong?

You might also want to consider which ones are local to you. I don’t know if this is true of all orders, but my abbey has local groups that meet. One of the monks leads the meetings so there’s a connection even though in my case the monastery is 100 miles away. I think it would be difficult at best if there wasn’t a way to meet and pray together regularly. I can go to the abbey for a weekend retreat, but obviously I’m not going to pop in from time to time for Vespers.
 
I investigated the lay association with the Sisters of Notre Dame, but felt no calling to the charisms of that order. Does anyone have any suggestions on which Third Order or lay association may appeal to me more?
Nobody can really tell you which third order/confraternity/secular order would appeal to you.

You really have to search and investigate all of the orders, and believe me there are alot out there! And don’t just search out the bigger orders like the Benedictines, Carmelites or Dominicans. There are alot of smaller ones out there that might have what you are looking for. It can get abit maddening at times, but you should also have some fun on your journey. As many have said here, each order has different charisms, and you just have to find the one that appeals to you on a personal level. Are you conemplative, do you want to do missionary work, maybe teach, or how about evangelization? Also, if its possible, try and find one that is fairly close to your home, so you can join in on some of the meetings, They are important for your spiritual guidance in the order. Remember, there is an order out there that has something for you, but you must be patient, pray to the Holy Spirit for guidance, and it will fall into place.

I searched for about 6 months before I found where I, and the Holy Spirit wanted me to be. And I found it deeply interesting, because as I found out about all of the different orders and their missions, I also found out alot about myself.

Here’s a great site that I think has every order imaginable on it (I think!)🙂

rosmini.org/order/#trapp
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top